Can it not exist?

[Spirit of Light]

I do not know if it could be called a lacuna?

Why lacuna? Where is the gap?

 

[Aupmanyav]

The gap is where you have filled in Allah and his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The gap is where you have filled in Allah and his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis.

It is not I that filled in anything they were there all the time. spiritual belief as you probably know is mostly not about the physical world.

 

[F1fan]

It is true science has never been my interst, mostly because I dont believe science give a correct way to God.

This is a self-defeating attitude. And ironic. And denial.

There are social sciences that explain your attitude and belief here. But as you noted, you probably aren't interested because it won't support what you want to believe is true.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is a self-defeating attitude. And ironic. And denial.

Any why is that?

I have my faith and belief in God not in science

 

[F1fan]

Any why is that?

I have my faith and belief in God not in science

Science is known to be a real and true approach to understand how things are.

No gods are known to exist.

How do you have faith in something that isn't known to exist? It suggests a cognitive process at work that is in part hidden from conscious awareness, IOW, a self-deceptive process. To reduce the stress this causes the person needs to invest more into the deception. This includes avoiding any contrary avenues of knowledge that might expose the illusion.

Many theists can believe AND study science. They just have to adjust their beliefs to knowledge.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Science is known to be a real and true approach to understand how things are.

No gods are known to exist.

How do you have faith in something that isn't known to exist? It suggests a cognitive process at work that is in part hidden from conscious awareness, IOW, a self-deceptive process. To reduce the stress this causes the person needs to invest more into the deception. This includes avoiding any contrary avenues of knowledge that might expose the illusion.

Many theists can believe AND study science. They just have to adjust their beliefs to knowledge.

Because I have a personal belief in the teaching about God and how to get back to that realm.

 

[Polymath257]

Any why is that?

I have my faith and belief in God not in science

And yet, you use computers to discuss things with people across the globe.

Does God do that for you?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is a self-defeating attitude. And ironic. And denial.

There are social sciences that explain your attitude and belief here. But as you noted, you probably aren't interested because it won't support what you want to believe is true.

There is no known way to decide whether a creator god exists or not. There can in fact as far as it is known today be made any rational argument about what objective reality is as independent of the mind, other than independent of the mind.
Now I personally don't believe in God, but I have yet to come across any answer to what objective reality is as independent of the mind.

So we end at the is-ought problem.
There is no known knowledge about what objective reality is as independent of the mind, therefore you ought to do what?

 

[Spirit of Light]

And yet, you use computers to discuss things with people across the globe.

Does God do that for you?

I do not believe in science can lead to God, it is the only part of life that are important to do in this life (for me)
Science only explain the physical realm.

 

[F1fan]

Because I have a personal belief in the teaching about God and how to get back to that realm.

There is no teachings about any gods that are fact-based. You are teaching dogma. To my mind if you are teaching children it is indoctrination and immoral.

And what realm do you think you are referring to? One you were told is real by other believes? They are called believers because they believe something is true, not because they know it is true.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And yet, you use computers to discuss things with people across the globe.

Does God do that for you?

No, you don't get away with that one. If you can solve the problem of whether reality is fair or not, I will listen to you, But last time we went there, you didn't solve it. You SUBJECTIVELY dismissed it as irrelevant. You in effect use a double standard.

 

[Polymath257]

I do not believe in science can lead to God, it is the only part of life that are important to do in this life (for me)
Science only explain the physical realm.

And science cannot lead you to the Invisible Pink Unicorn either or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

But there is a reason it can't.

And it isn't just that science only deals with the 'physical realm' (the scientific method can easily deal with non-physical things *if* there is a way to test them).

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is no teachings about any gods that are fact-based. You are teaching dogma. To my mind if you are teaching children it is indoctrination and immoral.

And what realm do you think you are referring to? One you were told is real by other believes? They are called believers because they believe something is true, not because they know it is true.

So you know what objective reality as independent of the mind is? You would be the first person in recorded history able to do that.

 

[F1fan]

There is no known way to decide whether a creator god exists or not.

That is why we reject the many diverse ideas in human lore. Most all came from primitive people, so why should modern thinkers assume they are credible?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And science cannot lead you to the Invisible Pink Unicorn either or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

But there is a reason it can't.

And it isn't just that science only deals with the 'physical realm' (the scientific method can easily deal with non-physical things *if* there is a way to test them).

Get back with your answer when you have solved the problem, you didn't solve last time. Stop using a double standard.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is no teachings about any gods that are fact-based. You are teaching dogma. To my mind if you are teaching children it is indoctrination and immoral.

And what realm do you think you are referring to? One you were told is real by other believes? They are called believers because they believe something is true, not because they know it is true.

I am no teacher in sufism, what I practice is only inward, but in a forum one has to say it with words.

You keep seeing it as fact based but spiritual practice is personal to each person, each person will gain their answer and it migh be slightly different than others answer. Spiritual practice is not science

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That is why we reject the many diverse ideas in human lore. Most all came from primitive people, so why should modern thinkers assume they are credible?

You made a dishonest quote of my post.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And science cannot lead you to the Invisible Pink Unicorn either or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

But there is a reason it can't.

And it isn't just that science only deals with the 'physical realm' (the scientific method can easily deal with non-physical things *if* there is a way to test them).

Spiritual practice is not science

 

[Polymath257]

Spiritual practice is not science

Very true. Neither is mountain climbing. Nor coin collecting.