Milton Platt
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"Is there a difference between believing and merely understanding an idea? Descartes thought so. He considered the acceptance and rejection of an idea to be alternative outcomes of an effortful assessment process that occurs subsequent to the automatic comprehension of that idea... if one wishes to know the truth, then one should not believe an assertion until one finds evidence to justify doing so... One may entertain any hypothesis, but one may only believe those hypotheses that are supported by the facts.
According to Spinoza, the act of understanding is the act of believing. As such, people are incapable of withholding their acceptance of that which they understand. They may indeed change their minds after accepting the assertions they comprehend, but they cannot stop their minds from being changed by contact with those assertions. [He believed] that (a) the acceptance of an idea is part of the automatic comprehension of that idea and (b) the rejection of an idea occurs subsequent to, and more effortfully than, its acceptance."
(From: You Can't Not Believe Everything You Read - Daniel T. Gilbert, Romin W Tafarodi, and Patrick S. Malone & How mental systems believe - D Gilbert)
Whose view do you agree with? Do we withhold judgement until we choose to accept or reject an idea, or do we accept an idea until we choose to reject it? Are we affected by everything we read/hear as it is impossible to have no belief about any concept that we can understand?
If Spinoza is correct, do you believe that this has significant consequences for our beliefs (especially as we are living in the 'information age')?
What do you think?
[I believe Spinoza has it more correct, but won't go into details yet]
I'm saying you might only believe it momentarily before you 'correct' yourself. On the other hand you might believe it long term if you don't.
“[Dan Gilbert] proposed that you must first know what the idea would mean if it were true. Only then can you decide whether or not to unbelieve it. The initial attempt to believe is an automatic operation of System 1, which involves the construction of the best possible interpretation of the situation. Even a nonsensical statement, Gilbert argues, will evoke initial belief.
Try his example: “whitefish eat candy.” You probably were aware of vague impressions of fish and candy as an automatic process of associative memory searched for links between the two ideas that would make sense of the nonsense.
Gilbert sees unbelieving as an operation of System 2, and he reported an elegant experiment to make his point. The participants saw nonsensical assertions, such as “a dinca is a flame,” followed after a few seconds by a single word, “true” or “false.” They were later tested for their memory of which sentences had been labeled “true.” In one condition of the experiment subjects were required to hold digits in memory during the task. The disruption of System 2 had a selective effect: it made it difficult for people to “unbelieve” false sentences. In a later test of memory, the depleted participants ended up thinking that many of the false sentences were true.
The moral is significant: when System 2 is otherwise engaged, we will believe almost anything. System 1 is gullible and biased to believe, System 2 is in charge of doubting and unbelieving, but System 2 is sometimes busy, and often lazy. Indeed, there is evidence that people are more likely to be influenced by empty persuasive messages, such as commercials, when they are tired and depleted.”
Kahneman, Daniel. “Thinking, Fast and Slow.”
You probably overstate the degree to which you do this (not a criticism, I do too).
You correct yourself sometimes when you have knowledge, often we lack the knowledge to correct ourselves and aren't doing so even if we think we are.
Breaking news on a terrorist attack for example, number of attackers, reports of explosions, and all sorts of minor details are frequently wrong but I can guarantee that you will remember some of these as being true.
Also, if you read an article about a topic/place you know very well you will often notice many errors in the reporting. 2 mins later you will read another article about something you have no idea about, but you don't read it as if it is full of errors like the last article. You also have nothing to replace the false information with. You don't go from belief to absence of belief, you go from belief to replacement belief.
So if you understand that something is a lie, does that mean you believe the lie???