Can religion reject this science ?

[ratiocinator]

The big bang has more holes in it than a sieve .

As you quite obviously don't understand it, how would you know?

For example:

Where to start , before the big bang there was nothing , no space

In the standard version of the BB, it's not that there was no space before the big bang, it's that "before the big bang" does not refer to a time.

 

[shmogie]

The big bang has more holes in it than a sieve .

Where to start , before the big bang there was nothing , no space


That is absurd , do they suggest there was a solid ?

There is solids and space , 0 dimensions are a point of space period .

Then from nothing it jumps in information and a hot dense state magically appears .

Laughable .........barmy ......idocracy .

There is no space suggests the interior of a solid , then magically a hot dense state appears which needs space to appear in ,but that space apparently didn't exist .

Then I think anti matter is mentioned which is not needed or required .....

You do know the CBMR drawing is an artists impression and not what they observe?

They detect CMBR a bit like static affecting an antenna .

You are a creature of the universe, all of your reasoning. logic and whatever else goes out the window outside the universe, if there is anything outside it.

 

[james blunt]

You are a creature of the universe, all of your reasoning. logic and whatever else goes out the window outside the universe, if there is anything outside it.

There is more space beyond observable space because space is infinite . The space beyond our space will not be much different than our observable space , there will be other life out there and that is a certainty .

 

[james blunt]

As you quite obviously don't understand it, how would you know?

For example:



In the standard version of the BB, it's not that there was no space before the big bang, it's that "before the big bang" does not refer to a time.

Of course I understand it and of course before the creation of matter there was no time because the space is timeless and absolute as postulate 3 .

The big bang does claim there was no space because it claims space expanded from 0 dimension as far as I am aware . Space does not expand and cannot expand , that is an impossibility .

A metric expansion of point sources is not an expansion of the space itself .

 

[viole]

There was no where when it happened.

So, maybe there were no when where it happened.

Or do you think that space and time are separate things with a different ontology. Ergo, that one can exist without the other?

Ciao

- viole

 

[james blunt]

space and time are separate things

Space and time are separate things , the correct definition of time is :

A quantifiable arbitrary measurement devised for recording the aging of something relative to a devised rate of change . We define the speed of time see ! Time doesn't slow down or speed up in a literal sense , the measurement slows down or speeds up .

 

[viole]

Space and time are separate things , the correct definition of time is :

A quantifiable arbitrary measurement devised for recording the aging of something relative to a devised rate of change . We define the speed of time see ! Time doesn't slow down or speed up in a literal sense , the measurement slows down or speeds up .

The speed of time? 1 second per second.

Ciao

- viole

 

[james blunt]

The speed of time? 1 second per second.

Ciao

- viole

1 second per second devised by us , relative to the Earths rotation . ~0.288 miles / s If I recall correctly without getting the calculator out .

The speed of time is equal to the rotational speed of the earth and the second that was devised and put into mechanical clock measure , they then changed to the caesium frequency . But all they have done is dressed time up to look fancy . If you reverse engineer the history of time, science have made a total blunder . They have a speed and rate of time being the same thing . The speed of time is approx 1000mph .

 

[viole]

The speed of time is approx 1000mph .

Sure. That is why we hear a bang when time runs at that speed. Whatever you say. Just do not get too excited about that.

Ciao

- viole

 

[james blunt]

Sure. That is why we hear a bang when time runs at that speed. Whatever you say. Just do not get too excited about that.

Ciao

- viole

There is an actual timing dilation that is related to an aging dilation but this is not an actual time dilation because of the absolute time of space itself is constant and delta t = 0 .

Time never changes in reality , things just age . Night and day don't exist , tomorrow is today , next year is this year , it is one continuum of aging .

 

[viole]

There is an actual timing dilation that is related to an aging dilation but this is not an actual time dilation because of the absolute time of space itself is constant and delta t = 0 .

Time never changes in reality , things just age .

Sure. Now relax.

Ciao

- viole

 

[shmogie]

So, maybe there were no when where it happened.

Or do you think that space and time are separate things with a different ontology. Ergo, that one can exist without the other?

Ciao

- viole

no

 

[viole]

no

So? How can something have a beginning in time, but not an initial location in space?

Ciao

- viole

 

[james blunt]

Sure. Now relax.

Ciao

- viole

I'm always relaxed when discussing , it takes my mind of my life stresses .

 

[shmogie]

There is an actual timing dilation that is related to an aging dilation but this is not an actual time dilation because of the absolute time of space itself is constant and delta t = 0 .

Time never changes in reality , things just age . Night and day don't exist , tomorrow is today , next year is this year , it is one continuum of aging .

Depends upon the speed at which you are traveling. The faster you go, the more time, and aging slow,

 

[shmogie]

So? How can something have a beginning in time, but not an initial location in space?

Ciao

- viole

the BB had neither. There was no space nor time. It began time, it did not have a beginning IN time.

 

[james blunt]

Depends upon the speed at which you are traveling. The faster you go, the more time, and aging slow,

Understand the time doesn't slow, the measurement slows . However , the aging does slow .

 

[viole]

the BB had neither. There was no space nor time. It began time, it did not have a beginning IN time.

Began? How can you begin without time?

Ciao

- viole

 

[james blunt]

the BB had neither. There was no space nor time. It began time, it did not have a beginning IN time.

That's what the big bang says but it is not correct . Time never started , aging started and aging started in pre-existing space that as always and will always exist . Things age relative to absolute space .

 

[shmogie]

That's what the big bang says but it is not correct . Time never started , aging started and aging started in pre-existing space that as always and will always exist . Things age relative to absolute space .

interesting that no cosmologist agrees with you