Can Satan be reconciled with God?

[Spiderman]

He was God’s Highest ranked Angel. God created the Devil as the highest angel in God’s angelic kingdom. He was the anointed cherub (Ezekiel 28:14; Isaiah 14:12,13).

It seems he is just doing his job. That's right, God wants Satan to tempt you! In Job's case, Satan glorified God and Job. God clearly wanted there to be a Devil, because before he made Satan, He knew he would rebel, fall away, and become what he is today. It was part of the plan.

If he didn't want enemies, he wouldn't have made them. Satan is called "god of this World", but whatever authority Satan has is given by God. If God allows him to lead people astray and become prince of the powers of this world, it's because God wants him to be just that. Satan was once God's favorite and masterpiece. Do you think he can become a good guy again?

What do you think is a better end to the story, if he goes to Hell for all eternity or reconciles with God and becomes good again?

 

[Spiderman]

God needed the World to fall, so that he could be a bigger hero when he saves/rescues it lol

 

[Tumah]

He was God’s Highest ranked Angel. God created the Devil as the highest angel in God’s angelic kingdom. He was the anointed cherub (Ezekiel 28:14; Isaiah 14:12,13).

There is no where in either of those passages where Satan is mentioned. If you intended the Christian interpretation of those passages, perhaps you should clarify in your thread that you are directing the question towards Christians.

It seems he is just doing his job. That's right, God wants Satan to tempt you! In Job's case, Satan glorified God and Job. God clearly wanted there to be a Devil, because before he made Satan, He knew he would rebel, fall away, and become what he is today. It was part of the plan.

If he didn't want enemies, he wouldn't have made them. Satan is called "god of this World",

I have never heard Satan called that, nor do I believe it is a truthful title.

but whatever authority Satan has is given by God. If God allows him to lead people astray and become prince of the powers of this world, it's because God wants him to be just that. Satan was once God's favorite and masterpiece. Do you think he can become a good guy again?

He was never what he is not now.

What do you think is a better end to the story, if he goes to Hell for all eternity or reconciles with God and becomes good again?

Neither. Why would satan go to Hell, he's not a sinner. Not is Hell eternal. So that would be impossible. Why would satan have to "reconcile" with G-d when he's already doing the job he's sent to do?

 

[Kirran]

I don't see how anybody can 'leave' God. God is totally omnipresent, and all souls are in His image. If there is some non-human spirit of some sort that some have encountered and refer to as Satan, then he's just another soul on his journey of evolution.

 

[arthra]

For Bahá'ís "Satan" has no reality such as an ontological being... rather "Satan" is more a symbol of the "lower nature" of man.
" Satan or whatever is interpreted as evil, refers to the lower nature in man. This baser nature is symbolized in various ways."

‘Abdu’l-Bahá

Foundations of World Unity (p.77)

 

[buddhist]

What do you think is a better end to the story, if he goes to Hell for all eternity or reconciles with God and becomes good again?

Sure!

According to the Buddhist scriptures, one day the roles might be reversed! Satan will reap his kamma, hopefully discover the error of his ways, and might be reborn as a god. And the god who's against him will use up his positive kamma, and might find himself reborn in one of the hells for all his death, blood, and war-mongering!

 

[Spiderman]

Yes I was talking about the Christian interpretation of those verses. What is the Jewish interpretation Tumah?

 

[Kirran]

@Tumah - I know you usually miss stuff that doesn't quote or tag you. See above.

 

[Tumah]

Yes I was talking about the Christian interpretation of those verses. What is the Jewish interpretation Tumah?

Ezekiel 28 is talking about.... Tyre.
And Isaiah 14 is talking about Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar.

We use this weird system of interpretation where we assume that the subject that is mentioned in the context is actually the subject that is being spoken about in the context.

@Tumah - I know you usually miss stuff that doesn't quote or tag you. See above.

You were right.

 

[Forever_Catholic]

Satan will never be reconciled with God because his will to oppose God is fixed in place forever. It is the same for all of the demons. And the angels in heaven will never decide to stop serving God because their will to serve him is fixed. Angels and former angels lack the option that humans have on earth, to change their will after making this decision, because they each made it with a profound knowledge of God that we do not have.

 

[rusra02]

If I were a wicked liar and murderer, such as Satan is, it would please me that people would blame the true God for the evil I spawn. The Bible exposes Satan for the vicious opposer of God that he is. Scriptures like John 8:44 describe the Devil; "That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie."
At the same time he is perpetrating his crimes, I believe "Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14) If Satan can blind people to the harm he does, that serves his purpose, but does those thus blinded great harm, IMO. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

 

[Spiderman]

If I were a wicked liar and murderer, such as Satan is, it would please me that people would blame the true God for the evil I spawn. The Bible exposes Satan for the vicious opposer of God that he is. Scriptures like John 8:44 describe the Devil; "That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie."
At the same time he is perpetrating his crimes, I believe "Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11:14) If Satan can blind people to the harm he does, that serves his purpose, but does those thus blinded great harm, IMO. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

God watches Satan do all his wicked deeds and has the power to bind him and put him somewhere that he can't tempt, deceive, or hurt anyone, and God refuses to do so, making him partially responsible.

In the book of Job, before the Devil could kill Jobs family and afflict him with diseases, he had to get God's permission. God is permitting the Devil to do every thing he does. God knew the Devil would be a lying, murdering, monster before he ever made him.

If God was so appalled with the Devil's behavior, he could just have never made Him in the first place or incarcerate him.

By creating the Devil and permitting the Devil to have power to do what He does, God is partially responsible for his behavior. I don't see why this is so difficult for anyone to understand.

People act like God cries crocodile tears and is so offended and outraged by all this Demonic activity. If it bothered him so much he could make it stop at any time.

 

[rusra02]

God watches Satan do all his wicked deeds and has the power to bind him and put him somewhere that he can't tempt, deceive, or hurt anyone, and God refuses to do so, making him partially responsible.

In the book of Job, before the Devil could kill Jobs family and afflict him with diseases, he had to get God's permission. God is permitting the Devil to do every thing he does. God knew the Devil would be a lying, murdering, monster before he ever made him.

If God was so appalled with the Devil's behavior, he could just have never made Him in the first place or incarcerate him.

By creating the Devil and permitting the Devil to have power to do what He does, God is partially responsible for his behavior. I don't see why this is so difficult for anyone to understand.

People act like God cries crocodile tears and is so offended and outraged by all this Demonic activity. If it bothered him so much he could make it stop at any time.

And The Bible say God will stop Satan at God's due time, not ours. I believe the Bible clearly states the reasons why God did not immediately destroy Satan. However, I think it is incorrect to say God created the Devil. Rather, Jehovah gives the gift of choice to his intelligent creatures. Just as Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, Satan arrogantly chose to oppose his Creator. As John 8:44 explains, Satan "was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth." That is Satan's choice, not God's. I believe it is as Deuteronomy 32:4,5 says concerning Jehovah; "The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he. They are the ones who have acted corruptly.They are not his children, the defect is their own."

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

God clearly wanted there to be a Devil, because before he made Satan, He knew he would rebel, fall away, and become what he is today. It was part of the plan.

What I question is this fall. An omnipotent God living in a heaven where nothing can go wrong lost a third of His armies over some twit? Really? I think Satan is just the ultimate "demonized" guy: "I'm the devil the Earth deserves, but not the devil it needs right now." Or something like that, LOL.

To give Satan any power is to take away said power from God. Just seems ... "off", to me.

And the angels in heaven will never decide to stop serving God because their will to serve him is fixed.

But Satan was an angel in heaven. What happened?

If I were a wicked liar and murderer, such as Satan is, it would please me that people would blame the true God for the evil I spawn.

Did Satan write the parts of the bible that are rather unambiguous about God creating evil?

The Bible exposes Satan for the vicious opposer of God that he is.

No, two authors mention it. That's not "the bible."

God knew the Devil would be a lying, murdering, monster before he ever made him.

Satan is just the gun. God's the shooter.

As John 8:44 explains, Satan "was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth."

Where is John getting this, since it's largely unsupported throughout the OT?

 

[Forever_Catholic]

But Satan was an angel in heaven. What happened?

The root of his evil is his pride.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations? And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most High. But yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit. (Isaiah 14:12-15)

And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels: and they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world; and he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (Revelation 12:7-9)