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Can science ever get the end of this universe ?

chinu

chinu

chinu
Do you think.. can science ever get the end of this universe ?
If no, than why don't they throw away all their instruments and efforts, and take God's help ?
 
Heim

Heim

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Yes, insofar that scientists are able to set up probable models for the ending of the universe.
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Heim said:
Yes, insofar that scientists are able to set up probable models for the ending of the universe.
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You mean, one day, science will definitely get the end of this universe ?
Its okay, if you think that science feels like so and so, and don't want to take God's help. But, my question, is to the people who think that science can never get the end of this universe but still don't want to take God's help. :)
 
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Heim

Heim

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As for your second question

chinu said:
If no, than why don't they throw away all their instruments and efforts, and take God's help ?
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I don't get this at all. We can't know something with a 100% certainty, so we throw everything away? Sorry, but that's not the scientific method. If that were true, the field of (for example) social sciences wouldn't even exist.
Plus, why invoke god(s)?
 
chinu

chinu

chinu
Heim said:
We can't know something with a 100% certainty, so we throw everything away? Sorry, but that's not the scientific method.
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What's wrong in throwing away the instruments and efforts which will never work and we know this with 100% certainty? Or we still hope they can work ? And if there's any hope, than my question is only to the people who think that science can never get the end of this universe and still don't want to take God's help. :)
 
Heim

Heim

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chinu said:
What's wrong in throwing away the instruments and efforts which will never work and we know this with 100% certainty? Or we still hope they can work ? And if there's any hope, than my question is only to the people who think that science can never get the end of this universe and still don't want to take God's help. :)
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Well of course, if your instrument is wrong, you throw that away. But how does that lead you to god?

Essentially, you're proposing a classic 'god of the gaps' argument. (A) Does science explain phenomenon X? (B) No, science doesn't. (C) So we can invoke god.
 
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Xaxyx

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The great thing about science is that it's a method of learning by being wrong.

Curiosity is a motivation that everyone possesses. We all ask, to varying extent, in varying circumstance: why? What is the cause? We can ask each other and, in many cases, the answer's already been discovered, already been established. But ultimately, we can all find topics for which science doesn't currently have an answer.

That's when the fun begins! We then get to try and guess. Maybe this is the reason. Let's find out! And we test our hypothesis. And lo and behold, we find an exception that breaks our proposed rule. Our hypothesis was wrong.

What do we do next? Well, we could curl up in a ball and give up. Or we could test another hypothesis. And another! Until we finally find a hypothesis that meets the muster of our testing. And then we share our hypothesis with other scientists, who all do the same thing. And eventually we've tested the hypothesis so much that we find ourselves confident enough to declare it to be a scientific theory, supported by factual evidence.

That's what science empowers us to do. It's how progress is achieved. It's how we better ourselves. It's how we discover the nature of our vast and awe-inspiring universe. Will we ever learn it all? Not likely. But that's GREAT news! That means we'll get to explore the universe forever! Personally I could wish for no greater gift for humanity than to always have something new to learn.

Thomas Edison, as the story goes, spent a great many attempts trying to construct a working light bulb before finally succeeding. After a hundred or so of these failures, someone asked him if he'd been wasting his time. No, he replied; what I've done so far is discover a hundred ways how not to make a light bulb. :)
 
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