Can the Universe be Virtual without a designer?

[footprints]

That doesn't invalidate the inevitable logical conclusion that there is "stuff" without a cause. Ultimately the real question is when do you know you've reached the bottom? IMHO its when attributes explain behavior and with few assumptions...

It doesn't invalidate it, it doesn't validate it either. It simple says we as a species have a lot to learn.

We will know when we have reached the bottom, when;

A) There are no exceptions to the rule.

B) When we can turn the knowledge inside out and upside down, when we can twist it and turn it around and around and still come up with the same logical conclusion.

C) When we can recreate it, reverse engineer it, forward engineer it, change it, manipulate it, predict it exactly and know the how's, the why's, the when's, the where's, and the whereby's prescribed by it.

D) When we can apply the knowledge to everything else in life which uses it and is derived from it and draw the same logical and rational conclusion from it.

E) When we can use it for our benefit and not for our detriment.

F) When there is no more knowledge to find, when mankind does really know it all. Which I sincerely doubt will be in my lifetime or my great, great, great, grandchildrens life time.

Why the notion of a standing wave computational system. The attributes of the waves explain their behavior, which is they re-enforce each other or cancel each other out and converage on patterns based on their interactions with one another.

The assumptions are:

1. Stannding Waves with two states: 1, -1
2. Overlaping domains
3. Hyperdimensional manifolds for connectivity.
4. Will converge to a functional system such as a universe

Compared to say the electron attributes:

1. has mass
2. has spin states
3. has a electric field
4. has gravity field

Do the attributes explain the behavior of an electron? No, neither mass, fields or spin state explain:

1. The ability to aborb photons
2. The abiltity to decern what kind of photon it has absorbed
3. The ability to change its direction based on the detection of a photon
4. The ability to transform into photon(s)
5. The duality of the electron as a particle and a wave.
6. The abiltiy to extend a field.

Looking at that list there is plenty going on inside that electron that needs splaining...:sarcastic

There is a lot everywhere which needs a lot more explaining. I can only say again, as a species we still have a lot to learn.

 

[Caladan]

Interestingly there is a graphics tool called Maya that brings to mind how a real hack would work in a virtual reality. If these relgions could really hack the universe it wouldn't be this testomony of what they experienced through meditation. In a virtual reality one can transport oneself or any object inclusive of planets, stars and even galaxies by simply intializing the particles those objects are composed of with relative cordinates as to where you'd like to place them! In other words just as in a virtual game today where there are cheat codes that give players "god" powers that realize themselves in real control that can be witnessed by all players, so too would such a hack be in our reality.

So while the idea of these philosophies and religions is similar to the notion of a computational universe, those beliefs, if I'm not mistaken, make the virtual world seperate from the spirit mind, which is not to be confused with the brain which is a physical organ in the body in these religous beliefs. The computaional universe on the other hand creates conciousness by products of subatomic particles and so there is no seperation between mind and virtual matter.

Yes, my next question was that if in the virtual reality of the OP by hacking do you actually break the laws of physics.
btw in the concept of Maya and enlightenment, the main theme is that there is no separation between mind and matter.

 

[Beyondo]

Yes, my next question was that if in the virtual reality of the OP by hacking do you actually break the laws of physics.
btw in the concept of Maya and enlightenment, the main theme is that there is no separation between mind and matter.

The answer is yes you can break the law of physics that are a product of the emergent behavior of the computaional programs that produce a universe. However the real physical universe are the standing waves whose behavior can not be modified.

Interestingly Maya is really about preception, I've come to discover, e.g. the rope looked like a snake, where the rope is real but the preception that it is a snake is the illusion. So without enlightment all you see are snakes.

 

[Beyondo]

It doesn't invalidate it, it doesn't validate it either. It simple says we as a species have a lot to learn.

We will know when we have reached the bottom, when;

A) There are no exceptions to the rule.

B) When we can turn the knowledge inside out and upside down, when we can twist it and turn it around and around and still come up with the same logical conclusion.

C) When we can recreate it, reverse engineer it, forward engineer it, change it, manipulate it, predict it exactly and know the how's, the why's, the when's, the where's, and the whereby's prescribed by it.

D) When we can apply the knowledge to everything else in life which uses it and is derived from it and draw the same logical and rational conclusion from it.

F) When there is no more knowledge to find, when mankind does really know it all. Which I sincerely doubt will be in my lifetime or my great, great, great, grandchildrens life time.

As I said; when the attributes of "stuff" can explain their behavior.

E) When we can use it for our benefit and not for our detriment.

I don't see how that's remotely a requirement for the universe...

 

[footprints]

As I said; when the attributes of "stuff" can explain their behavior.

In which case, we have the cause for the effect.

I don't see how that's remotely a requirement for the universe...

We, as a species, are part of the universe. Some would even argue, its most evolved state, to date.

 

[Beyondo]

In which case, we have the cause for the effect..

Good point...Infact I'm feeling a mathematical proof from this where something that always existed can produce a cause and effect reality!

There may also be another subtle point here...Momentum is a form of magic. No matter what kind of physical reality you create momentum ends up being magic that can cause motion and has to be simply accepted "as is". No attribute of matter can ever describe the behavior of a physical object moving by the cause of momentum! The real reason for this momentum is actually an exchange of information. As such information requires intelligence to process.

You'll note in the standing wave system the physical waves do not change thier position, there is no physical motion in the standing wave computer other than the transition of states. The only thing that change locations from say wave "a" to some wave "e" is information by virtue of wave interconnectivity and interaction and is therefore a virtual product(I'm seeing the need for mathematical proof here). In a virtual world momentum is a product of abstraction, not an accepted form of "magic"! Subtly the proof or conclusion that our reality is actually a virtual reality is the phenomena of motion caused by momentum.

Another subtle hint that the universe is a virtual reality is the fact that our universe can be described by mathematcs. In physics today there is no real good reason why mathematics can describe physical phenomena it just does...

Think about it and try to concieve a physical system where momentum isn't a product of information exchange that doesn't require processing...:run:

 

[Silver]

Does each standing wave remain a standing wave indefinitely, or do they decay and disappear?

 

[Beyondo]

Does each standing wave remain a standing wave indefinitely, or do they decay and disappear?

They are perpetual.

 

[Madasin]

I'm not sure if you realize that the virtual universe idea is not that the virtual reality is a perception by a conciousness but is actually the creator of conciousness. We're not just witnessnes of the creation but a product of it.

The observer and the observed.

 

[Madasin]

Nothing can happen without a cause or a reason. Not even a deity if one exists.
Sometimes we just have to accept there are some things in this universe which are beyond our narrow scope of knowledge at this point in time.

　
Cause and effect don't always come into it. We have to think beyond logic and reason. Nothing is beyond your scope - everything is beyond your scope. You created your own limits. Discover that you are more than you and you'll know the world is more than the world. Look beyond the physical.

 

[Beyondo]

　
Cause and effect don't always come into it. We have to think beyond logic and reason. Nothing is beyond your scope - everything is beyond your scope. You created your own limits. Discover that you are more than you and you'll know the world is more than the world. Look beyond the physical.

Well you say to think beyond logic and look beyond the physical. What does that mean? What does non-physical mean?

 

[Silver]

I'm not sure if you realize that the virtual universe idea is not that the virtual reality is a perception by a conciousness but is actually the creator of conciousness. We're not just witnessnes of the creation but a product of it.

Can we take control of the virtual universe and create our own heaven for us when we die (so human information not only rots/decays but also gets copied to heaven/another-virtual-reality-realm.) ?

Silver

 

[Silver]

How does the Virtual-Reality-Universe explain the fine tuning of the universe which I've heard that if changed by one part in 10 to the 26 would result in the universe being incapable of supporting life ?
(Perhaps Virtual-Reality-Beings are responsible for fine tuning the Universe from within the system.)

Silver

 

[Silver]

In your Standing-Wave-Matrix/Virtual-Reality-Universe, does only the present moment exist or does all the past and present exist, and what about the future?

Silver

 

[Beyondo]

Can we take control of the virtual universe and create our own heaven for us when we die (so human information not only rots/decays but also gets copied to heaven/another-virtual-reality-realm.) ?

Silver

Theoritically if there is a means to manipulate the state machine from our perspective then yes. If such manipulation is prohibited then no. e.g. Can you manipulate calculator's coding from the calculator itself? If you could then you could copy information at your whim rather than being limited by how the calculator's programming operates.

 

[Beyondo]

How does the Virtual-Reality-Universe explain the fine tuning of the universe which I've heard that if changed by one part in 10 to the 26 would result in the universe being incapable of supporting life ?
(Perhaps Virtual-Reality-Beings are responsible for fine tuning the Universe from within the system.)

Silver

This actaully address the evolving of a virtual reality from a chaotic state to a functional system. The survivng trait of code in this sea of standing waves are self sustaing rules that can sustain a virtual reality. The fine tuning would be no different than the evolving of DNA from chaotic processes. Note that building raw DNA is different than evolving genetics. Raw DNA building requires amino acids to build code bases that have self sustaing rules to support basic life. Once that's established things like error correction are possible and in fact is a trait in DNA coding that helps sustain or prolong a system's longevity. Your question is the same as asking how long can DNA last as a fucntional biological system if the environment remains friendly?