paarsurrey
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Inflation or deflation could never have happened of itself. Right, please?
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Can the universe create itself when it does‘t exist?
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paarsurrey
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It is a process, impossible to happen of its own. Right, please?
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I see it as a remote possibility, but possible just the same. There are hypothesis to show how it can occur
You are flirting with a belief in real magic then.
How do you know?
If we are going to create stories about how the universe started, it is as good a story as any.
I have come to believe it was created by the one thing that is fundamental and uncreated; Consciousness/God/Brahman. The universe is a derivative of Consciousness/God/Brahman. The universe is a great play/drama/thought-form of Consciousness/God/Brahman.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
No, remote possibility man's remote possibility., Right, please!
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is no claim from the Universe in this connection. If yes, then please quote from it with reference. Right, please?
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paarsurrey
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Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
What I've been saying in another thread.
All of you need to pay me royalties!
Nice try. Thanks for playing.
Big Bang was first proposed by Catholic priest, Georges Lemaitre. In other words, the whole theory relies on underpinnings proposed by a theist. In order to use it, you must first prove that it can also work without such belief system.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Do you know that?
angellous_evangellous
Christian
Hawkings does it nicely.
The argument that words mean words?. Remote possibility mean's remote possibility, it does not mean impossible. Just like turn left means turn left, it does not mean what us for dinner
The argument that there is a remote possibility of something from nothing?
Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
You could also try reading the book A Universe from Nothing by Laurence Krauss
I'm not making the claim that the universe had a beginning. I'm making fun of those claiming to have knowledge of such an event.
Unless you were there at the "start" of the universe you can't make any claims either. So let's accept that any accounts of a beginning to the universe are just fiction.
People are of highest importance I think. If I claim to care about God but don't care about people, then I'm lying to myself. Religion can allow a person to live in ignorance of their own unconcern for others. For example I can pray to God and think that I love God without actually caring for other people, so I can use my religion to deceive myself. I am not saying this to accuse anyone but to illustrate my conversation.
Suppose that I am able to prove that God miraculously creates this planet and all of the stars. What does this truly do for me or for God? What is accomplished by it? I see many forum members attempt this, but I do not see any positive results from it and think it would be pointless. I don't know whether it is self deception or not for them, but I don't think it has any purpose.
Suppose that I have a Mathematical gift and can prove the basis of reality and that God has made it. What is the benefit of doing so? The same people will do the same things. Some will care, and some will not. I will still be a gifted mathematician who will die having accomplished nothing permanent, for God will always know more than I have discovered and though I disappear no one will care what I have said.
For this reason I do not believe that it is authentic religious knowledge. I do not think it matters if we know it, and above all I don't think God has revealed it to us. What difference would such knowledge make? Therefore I think it cannot be authentic religious knowledge.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I understand from the clues in the truthful religious knowledge:
[21:31]اَوَ لَمۡ یَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡۤا اَنَّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ کَانَتَا رَتۡقًا فَفَتَقۡنٰہُمَا ؕ وَ جَعَلۡنَا مِنَ الۡمَآءِ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ حَیٍّ ؕ اَفَلَا یُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ﴿۳۱﴾
Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 21: Al-Anbiya'
G-d claims it. Right, please?
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On the contrary, I am simply saying the universe exists and causality is *part* of the universe.
Why anything at all exists is not something that can be answered. To have a cause requires existence.
Why not?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
As I understand G-d was there who created the processes that made the Universe to come into existence. Why not to accept it more so when there is no other claimant. Right,please?
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