Can vegetarianism change the world?

[Wildswanderer]

God command's us to eat meat and until he says otherwise I'll kill animals and eat meat. And fish.
Realistically, many thousands, if not millions, could not survive on a vegan diet. Most people only try it for a short time and then go back to meat.

 

[an anarchist]

Literal karma? As opposed to?

As opposed to there being no such thing as karma at all, as some believe.

 

[Heyo]

Let's say everyone becomes v/v tomorrow. There are literally billions of livestock animals, most of which will have no purpose in the food chain. We must either kill them all, or keep them alive and not reproducing until they die off naturally. Because I don't think enough people want cows, goats, chickens, and so on as pets.

Most animals farmed for meat are around one year old when slaughtered. I.e. phasing out meat would take a few years, max. The bigger problem is the economy. Meat processing industries would take longer to adapt (but they would if subsidies are cut and incentives to change are given).

 

[SalixIncendium]

Also, it’s apparent to me that at least Americans eat too much meat when I dine out and find that practically every entree contains meat.

Also when I go to an American supermarket, it’s a challenge to find RTE meals that don’t contain meat, where is at my local Indian grocery, there is one small upright freezer in the corner that contains meat products.

 

[We Never Know]

I believe in literal karma. Whenever an animal is killed or mistreated for the sake of human consumption, that creates negative karma. Humanity suffers as a result of negative karma.
I believe that the purpose of mankind is to become collectively enlightened, which would end the cycle of life, and bringing about the end times, whatever those times entail. I believe collective vegetarianism is a necessary step towards this end.
What would happen if everyone went vegetarian/vegan? What would the net gain be? in relation to all the negative karma we would no longer incur through systematic animal abuse.
Perhaps much of the suffering that humans face is a direct result of the suffering we force on billions of animals on a daily basis. Are we naive enough to think that we don’t suffer consequences for the suffering we cause other species?
I’m a meat eater, guilty of taking part in animal cruelty. But what if myself, and all of you, stopped taking part in animal cruelty? Would the world change for the better? I think so.

Meat, bread, beans, potatoes and milk make up 99% of my diet. Always has.

 

[SalixIncendium]

God command's us to eat meat and until he says otherwise I'll kill animals and eat meat. And fish.
Realistically, many thousands, if not millions, could not survive on a vegan diet. Most people only try it for a short time and then go back to meat.

“Us?” Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

 

[SalixIncendium]

As opposed to there being no such thing as karma at all, as some believe.

So karma then…

 

[Secret Chief]

Let's say everyone becomes v/v tomorrow. There are literally billions of livestock animals, most of which will have no purpose in the food chain. We must either kill them all, or keep them alive and not reproducing until they die off naturally. Because I don't think enough people want cows, goats, chickens, and so on as pets.

Farm animals (unsurprisingly) have a short life expectancy.
- Age of Farm Animals

 

[We Never Know]

Our treatment of animals - confinement etc is something that should change. Humane treatment should be universal. I think deliberately inhumane treatment of animals does build karma.

And we eat too much meat. Eating less substituting other protein sources can be tasty and healthy. So that is also something worth striving for.

Being a carnivores is natural. We just have a better way than having to chase them down.

"Of all the present-day animals Wiens and colleagues surveyed, 63% were carnivores, 32% were herbivores, and 3% were omnivores. (The rest were ambiguous.)"

AAAS.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Most animals farmed for meat are around one year old when slaughtered. I.e. phasing out meat would take a few years, max. The bigger problem is the economy. Meat processing industries would take longer to adapt (but they would if subsidies are cut and incentives to change are given).

the ongoing problem is that producers rarely face the full costs of their production choices, and consumers rarely face the full costs of their consumption choices.

 

[Secret Chief]

Like I said in an earlier thread on the same topic, it must really suck to be a tiger or bear.

It must, because humans are trying to make them extinct.

 

[Secret Chief]

Can vegetarianism change the world?
Nah.
Consider all the problems.
It would mitigate some momentarily, but wouldn't solve any.

The UN says otherwise.

 

[Revoltingest]

The UN says otherwise.

Their reasoning?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Being a carnivores is natural. We just have a better way than having to chase them down.

"Of all the present-day animals Wiens and colleagues surveyed, 63% were carnivores, 32% were herbivores, and 3% were omnivores. (The rest were ambiguous.)"

AAAS.

Humans seem to be omnivores...

 

[SalixIncendium]

The UN says otherwise.

Who are you going to believe? The UN or the carnivorous denizens of RF?

 

[Secret Chief]

Chickens make great pets, they also give you egg breakfasts.

Shame half of them (the males) get ground up ("macerated") or gassed then.

 

[We Never Know]

Humans seem to be omnivores...

Sure. But we have love for meat.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Being a carnivores is natural. We just have a better way than having to chase them down.

"Of all the present-day animals Wiens and colleagues surveyed, 63% were carnivores, 32% were herbivores, and 3% were omnivores. (The rest were ambiguous.)"

AAAS.

Humans are inherently omnivores.

Humans are Omnivores - Evidence

However, they can be perfectly healthy on a vegetarian or vegan diet.

 

[Secret Chief]

Being a carnivores is natural.

Natural for carnivores yes. Humans are not carnivores, humans are (natural!) omnivores (check your teeth).

 

[Revoltingest]

Who are you going to believe? The UN or the carnivorous denizens of RF?

Why believe anyone without hearing analysis?
I'm a nobody. The Un is a political organization.
And we've seen no quotes from them.

There's a claim that vegetarianism can change the world.
I see no problems it will solve.
So there's an open question....
Which ones & how?