Can we agree that late abortions are heartless

[idav]

Allowing the fetus to be dismembered and skull cavity collapsed? What else would you call it. Any woman who has that done to them, without legitimate medical reasons, should go further and be sterilized. Because they are too cold to be a mother ever.

Doctors are not allowed to do late term abortions without medical reasons. How is a medical doctor going to do anything any other way?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Except for extenuating circumstances involving extreme matters of life and death, late-term abortions in my opinion are monstrous.

 

[Laika]

At somewhere around 22 weeks the fetus is viable outside the womb. At that point, I would classify abortion as murder. Unwanted babies can be given up for adoption.

I can definitely sympathise with that as its a compromise between pro-choice (you can have an abortion) and a pro-life position (Unwanted babies can be adopted). Defining person-hood at birth is a bit arbitrary so I don't really know what to make of the abortion debate. I'm still pro-choice but more as a default position for women's rights. I can understand why people get upset with wanting to "kill babies" both within and outside of a religious context. Its not really an informed or well-thought out positions though.

 

[Araceli Cianna]

Everytime I squat a fly I hate myself for being a murdering so and so.

Where do you draw the line? A fetus under a certain age isn't really alive. Also, as others have stated, there may be perfectly good reasons to abort during late pregnancy.

Ok in a perfect world no one would squat flies and no one would get abortions. But this isn't a perfect world, so we adapt and make do.

 

[Kemosloby]

I don't think babies know much before being born, barely conscious even. Even after taking their first breath, does anyone remember their first breath?

 

[Aupmanyav]

What Babies Learn In the Womb
5 Things A Child Learns While In The Womb

 

[pearl]

Folks who demand for pro-life, but who don't give a fig for all children and disabled are just hypocrites, yes?

All too often these people loose interest post uterus.

Except for extenuating circumstances involving extreme matters of life and death, late-term abortions in my opinion are monstrous.

Sometimes a woman is faced with catastrophic defects, giving birth to a baby who will die in a few hours, weeks. One woman I know decided to give birth and hold her baby until he died. There are no easy answers. We need to stop judging another's life choices.

 

[Revoltingest]

Morality....immorality...it's all subjective & arbitrary.
A political compromise will happen.
Abortion will be legal, but as a pregnancy progresses, limitations will increase.
It isn't right or wrong...just inevitable.

 

[Kenny]

Allowing the fetus to be dismembered and skull cavity collapsed? What else would you call it. Any woman who has that done to them, without legitimate medical reasons, should go further and be sterilized. Because they are too cold to be a mother ever.

Yes, we sure can!

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Everytime I [swat] a fly I hate myself for being a murdering so and so.

Why continue to swat flies, then?

 

[Sleeppy]

This a problem very easily solved..

Stop denying the populace the tools needed for prevention, i.e. contraception and health care.

Very easy. Very straight forward.

 

[Araceli Cianna]

Why continue to swat flies, then?

Because bugs terrify me and I haven't figured out a way to deal with them maturely. Lol

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Allowing the fetus to be dismembered and skull cavity collapsed? What else would you call it. Any woman who has that done to them, without legitimate medical reasons, should go further and be sterilized. Because they are too cold to be a mother ever.

Exactly how many late-term elective abortions do you think happen?

And I trust that you'll support the rest of us second-guessing whether your decisions to not let someone else use your body, right?

 

[sun rise]

What about women who would die without a late term abortion? Would you give them a choice, or sentence them to death?

I would if at all possible save both even with a very early birth. If that was impossible I would not blame people for choosing the life of the mother.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Allowing the fetus to be dismembered and skull cavity collapsed? What else would you call it. Any woman who has that done to them, without legitimate medical reasons, should go further and be sterilized. Because they are too cold to be a mother ever.

Don't know where this came from, or what you are really concerned about. But to try to answer the question in your subject line, late term abortions must almost always be essentially heartless.

I'm an atheist, but the simplest medical technology allows me to see what is in the womb in the third trimester (and even the second). In my own opinion, you need a really, really good reason to terminate that. And I'm not sure many of the reason given are that good.

Look, bad things happen. Yeah, let your guard down a little and you might get pregnant. Maybe you have your own reasons why that is untenable. I don't like abortion, but I can't condemn a girl who, for her own, private reasons can't bring herself to carry a child to term. I don't like the idea of abortion as birth control -- that's stupid when we have so many better options. But **** happens.

But by the time that "accident" is developing a central nervous system, and feeling, then a decision to terminate becomes immensely more important.

I just wish we could all talk to each other more easily about sex. It's not that terrifying a subject!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I would if at all possible save both even with a very early birth. If that was impossible I would not blame people for choosing the life of the mother.

But here's the thing: it's often not clear when the choice is between the fetus or the mother. When abortions are only permitted "to save the life of the woman," doctors don't do abortions if there's any doubt at all that the woman will die without the abortion... which means the decision is often not made until it's too late to save the woman.

Anyone who wants to only allow abortions "to save the life of the woman" should read the story of Savita Halappanavar, because her death is the sort of death that their approach will cause... many, many times over.

Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia

 

[EverChanging]

But here's the thing: it's often not clear when the choice is between the fetus or the mother. When abortions are only permitted "to save the life of the woman," doctors don't do abortions if there's any doubt at all that the woman will die without the abortion... which means the decision is often not made until it's too late to save the woman.

Anyone who wants to only allow abortions "to save the life of the woman" should read the story of Savita Halappanavar, because her death is the sort of death that their approach will cause... many, many times over.

Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia

This is why in the US pro-choicers generally support the right to late term abortions to save both the health and/or life of the mother. In some states this includes psychological health.

 

[EverChanging]

I don't think babies know much before being born, barely conscious even. Even after taking their first breath, does anyone remember their first breath?

I think they are aware at a certain point, but it may be that it takes a few years of socialization to develop a strong sense of selfhood which would be relevant in evaluating the morality of late term abortions or even infanticide. Not that I like or even approve of either, especially infanticide since at that point the infant has joined the community as an autonomous entity.

 

[EverChanging]

I think they are aware at a certain point, but it may be that it takes a few years of socialization to develop a strong sense of selfhood which would be relevant in evaluating the morality of late term abortions or even infanticide. Not that I like or even approve of either, especially infanticide since at that point the infant has joined the community as an autonomous entity.

According to this article a sense of selfhood begins to exist at around two years of age and begins developing at birth:

How do children develop a sense of self?

 

[Altfish]

It is impossible to have a rational discussion on this topic when the anti-abortionists use phrases such as:-

• Heartless
• ...fetus to be dismembered and skull cavity collapsed
• ....too cold to be a mother, ever.
• ...to murder the child...

Anti-abortionists don't appear to understand that pro-choice people are not promoting abortions. On the contrary they do not want abortions if at all possible. BUT they realise that there are justifiable reasons for an abortion and they also put the mother's health (including mental health) above that of the fetus.