joelr
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You are mis-using logic here, twice.Yes, I believe that the Bible and the Qur'an are evidence for God, since I believe that God was involved in their writing, more so the Qur'an than the Bible.
The Bible and the Qur'an could be what people made up about God, but how logical is that? I mean why would people go to so much trouble to write about a nonexistent God? What would be their motive? People do not do things without a motive.
Why would people go to so much trouble to write about a nonexistent God?
There is more writing about Brahman than the Quran and Bahai put together.
Books about Zeus.
The first known author and writing from ancient humans is hymns about Inana, long hymns.
Every nation had scriptures, revelations from their deity. Canaanites had El, Egypt had many gods, almost all stories involve a. god of the people writing.
When you make a statement like this and you want it to be logical, ask, are there examples of people doing this in the past?
That is basically all people did until Greek philosophy, and even after it.
None of those gods are real. So this is very commonplace. They may have believed in Zeus but it is common to write about fake gods.
Before the enlightenment critical thinking, from Greek thought, was not trusted. The way to sell a message was by divine revelation.
That is one reason everything was framed as from a divine source.
The Gospel writers were schooled writers looking for a story to use their skills on.
Second you are creating a false dilemma -
People don't do things without a motive.
People write about gods.
There is no motive to write about a nonexistent god.
Writings about god must be true.
It isn't an either or, there are many possibilities.
1) People writing might have bought into the story but it's still not real.
2) People writing used a folk tale to create a highly technical story about a god despite it was fictive because some people would believe it
3)Someone knew they could sell a story about revelations if it was well written
4) All laws and wisdom needed to be couched in revelation or it wasn't trusted.
all motives
Dr Carriers Science in the Roman Empire covers this belief and how it was commonplace.
Not only that but we have found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, an unfinished document that had to be hidden in the cave quickly with the rest.
It was a Christian Gospel that comprised of sayings of Jesus, along with this work was a copy of wisdom sayings from someone else (Seneca?) and they were being transferred into the Gospel and used as sayings for Jesus. A straight up lie. As are the unauthentic Epistles which are believed to be written by church fathers way later. There are also 36 other Gospels of Jesus, all considered heretical, like the Thomas Gospel. They are considered fake. So even if the current 4 are "authentic" 90% are not.
So writing about deities as a forgery is the normal practice.
Modern times, Mormon Bible, Conversations With God, Abraham, Seth, and so on. Standard practice.
We have lying as an option that happens, belief in a god that isn't real, needing to sell an idea, having the prestige of being a gospel writer, even just writing a good story like Mark did. It's a masterpiece when you understand all of the sources he pulling together and the allegories he makes with Jewish tradition. Also one could feel that they are on a mission from God and be deluded.
It's very much logical that a writer would write about a god that isn't real for one of many reasons.
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