I said:
I see you caught up in a "morass of details". That is your choice just as it is my choice not to get bogged down into details.
In my opinion you can't see the forest for the trees.
How is that a criticism?
Forest for the trees does not apply. What you are calling "details" are commonly called "facts" and "evidence".
Your lack of understanding that they are crucial to understanding truth explains everything that needs to be said.
It has nothing to do with that.
I think it does. You try to take attention away from the facts that the evidence stinks. Than explain what it means.
Long, long ago, I linked to the book
The Challenge of Baha'u'llah.
because you thought it was evidence, it was given when asked for evidence.
Baha'u'llah predicted many events that later came to pass. That proves to me that He could see into the future, so He had prophetic powers. Some of these predictions and how they came to pass are listed and delineated in this book:
The Challenge of Baha'u'llah
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He was wrong on all science. All political events were also being predicted by the rest of the world. That looks like a fraud.
https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...wers-of-bahaullah.238253/page-20#post-6877342
That book is only one man's interpretation of the prophecies, just like your interpretation is only one man's interpretation.
Baha'u'llah NEVER offered any prophecies as proof of His claims, NEVER.
He was still incredibly wrong. I posted the science prophecies, anyone can see they are completely wrong.
YOU offered them as proof. The backpeddling here is amazing.
Nobody is saying that anything is your fault. You are the only one placing blame.
If you have psychological problems that is not my problem.
The link to book is something I posted many years ago. If you want to make a fuss over it go ahead.
I explained what happened above. That is not dishonest. It is honest.
Perfect. Gaslighting and other manipulative tactics.
You have been telling ME that it's ME who isn't seeing the truth because I'm not seeing the "forest for the trees". You are putting the blame for not seeing the "truth" on me. It's textbook manipulation.
THEN, when called out you further blame me, double down, gaslight me by saying I am "making a fuss", which is what gaslighters do, try and make it as if it's you who is going overboard when all you are doing is saying stop blaming me.
You walked right into that.
AND THEN even worse, you now gaslight MORE and tell me I have psychological problems! HA HA HA
And yup, it's dishonest. Your prophecies don't work out so you switch to making it about me, and I'm not seeing this and that.
I am not blaming you for anything, blame is your gig. Your psychological problems are not my problem.
You 100% are blaming me for "not seeing the forest for the trees". Now you even deny it. You didn't respond to my statement, you just went harder but literally now saying I have psychological problems-
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Perfect, this could not be more clear. You link to a book of prophecies as evidence, I study them to actually see, which was your intent.
When it turns out they are all wrong or lame, suddenly you shift the blame on me as not seeing the forest. Wow. Gaslighting at it's finest."
textbook manipulation and further gaslighting.
FYI, I am not a dude, and you are the one who needs to give this up.
I am done? I pointed out all the fallacies, confirmation bias, lack of evidence and you have not given a reasonable response and cannot defend these beliefs. I have been finished. Every new angle (forest for the trees) is you. Fail, fail, fail.
That book is only one man's interpretation of the prophecies, just like your interpretation is only one man's interpretation.
Baha'u'llah NEVER offered any prophecies as proof of His claims, NEVER.
who is also an expert in the religion,
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The Revelation which, from time immemorial, hath been acclaimed as the Purpose and Promise of all the Prophets of God, and the most cherished Desire of His Messengers, hath now... been revealed unto men, ' writes Baha'u'llah. "The advent of such a Revelation hath been heralded in all the sacred Scriptures. Behold how, notwithstanding such an announcement, mankind hath strayed from its path and shut out itself from its glory. '7
If this claim is true - and if we can confirm or substantiate it by objective investigation - then clearly it marks the most important turning point in human history. Baha'u'llah says the upheavals and convulsions of today are those foretold in the sacred books of all past religions, that they are preparing the world for the promised era of peace and justice, and that His revelation has set in motion the forces that will gradually bring it about. He has also given to the world approximately a hundred volumes of guidance on how individuals and institutions can best meet the challenges of this time, hastening the Golden Age that must follow.
In deciding whether Baha'u'llah's claim merits investigation, we must bear in mind two points. The first is that He does not ask anyone to accept a literal interpretation of ancient prophecy. According to...."
AND it's easy to sustantiate because he was WRONG
That is just one book and one man's opinion. Who cares?
Oh, you do because you put that book in links over and over.
I don't care because I look at the evidence that Baha'u'llah offered, not how one man came to believe in the Baha'i Faith.
Which was................his pen?........Uh, you haven't given evidence.
Several times your response to evidence was to post the book which you now say "who cares".
Even I am surprised by how many inconsistencies are popping up here. Wow, it's almost like the religion is fake?
If you continue to harp on one book then everyone will know that you have nothing else in your bag of tricks.
Because your links were:
Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 179-183. bahai scripture
A collection of transcriptions of table talks given by ‘Abdu’l‑Bahá in ‘Akká between 1904 and 1906 in response to questions posed by Laura Dreyfus-Barney, an American Bahá’í resident in Paris, and first published in 1908. The new edition, extensively retranslated, was published in 2014.
www.bahai.org
AND I DO CRITICIZE HIS SCRIPTURE.
You posted that book, you claimed he made prophecies, YOU DID. Now that we see they are crap it's a whole new story, the book has become a "bag of tricks", I couldn't debunk this any better, you are handing me material over and over?
You have NO PROOF that Baha'u'llah copied anything from the Bible or the Quran. That is laughable!
Were you there when Baha'u'llah wrote His Writings? Did you see Him carrying around a Bible or the Qur'an?
What we have NO PROOF of is god, revelations. Period. NONE.
Comnparisons between the Quran and Bahai show they are similar. But there is nothing really "new", so there is evidence that it's just a reinterpretation of the Quran by one who was known to be a big reader of religious material.
"The similarities of these two religions are uncanny. They are so closely related, and the differences seem so miniscule, at least to the eye of an outsider looking in. When it come to the prayer life of members of the two religions, they are almost identical. They both pray multiple times a day, prayer is obligatory for both, there are movements and gestures to go along with the prayers, the prayers are done facing a certain location, either Mecca or Qiblih, and they are both rooted from the same region in the world. In all reality the only major difference causing these two religions to tear each other apart, is what they believe about the manifestation of Allah. Other than that they are both monotheistic, follow teachings from the prophet Mohammad, and have a regulated form of prayer for members of the religion to follow. "
Your posts are getting funnier by the day, and more insulting.
The only reason I am answering parts of them is because I am stuck in the house since my car is covered with ice!
If logic and truth are funny to you then great, laugh away.
They may seem insulting because I'm not allowing personal attacks.
But I will give you a suggestion, something I was told many years ago when I used to post long posts on another forum.
People do not read posts that are really long and detailed, so if you want people to read your posts - me or anyone else - I suggest you cut out all the details.
No thank you. I have read nothing here that indicates I would want or need a suggestion from you.