paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I think one among many other things which science cannot quantify or measure is the ideas that come to our mind.
Your idea on this please
Your idea on this please
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Can we quantify or measure an idea in science?
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
There has been some research into doing just that, but it hasn't got very far.
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You can attempt to quantify just about anything. The problem is whether or not the method of quantification is accurately and precisely capturing what you think it is. Certain things defy simple categorization, and these, yes, science has a great deal of trouble dealing with. Where it does, it typically falls under soft science rather than hard science.
Alex_G
Enlightner of the Senses
Well when quantifying the first thing you need are units. Quantification is often of something quite specific, and in deciding upon units, you will also decide on what it is exactly your measuring. Broad terms/subjects arent easily quantified because applying narrow specifics to a broad and loose subject in an attempt to explain yields little of value. If i asked you to quantify the Sun, i could mean light intensity, size, and distance etc.
'Ideas' is quite a broad term, and many aspects that constitute it are probably quantifiable, but having one unit thats meant to represent all facets of the subject of ideas is like 'quantifying the sun' somewhat.
I would say though, if our unit is merit, then one can rate or measure ideas against a scale of proof, evidence, practical application, and so on, which we kind of do already. The question of how well does the idea hold as a stepping stone in the intellectual progression of mankind.
AmerikanZen
Active Member
I would think that you can present ideas to be tested by Scientists or peer review journals.
McBell
Unbound
Are you asking for an idea that science cannot quantify or measure?
if so God comes to mind...
Are you asking for an idea that science can quantify or measure?
If so, we can start with cars, planes, submarines, SCUBA gear, phones, tvs, radio, plastic, etc.
I suspect that you have not presented the idea you wish to explore very clearly.
Indeed we have ways of measuring data. An idea is data which can be measured and quantified.
Scientists claim brain memory code cracked
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
I believe the answer is NO.
All you can measure are the effects of an Idea.
There are many immeasurable things that cleary exist but cannot be quantified.
This is why Science will always have 1 eye closed, and will never be able to offer an Ultimate Answer to existance.
All you can measure are the effects of an Idea.
There are many immeasurable things that cleary exist but cannot be quantified.
This is why Science will always have 1 eye closed, and will never be able to offer an Ultimate Answer to existance.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I don't think car is an idea;yes, it is a product made on an idea.
My question is about absolute idea that has not taken any physical form yet. There could be ideas that don't relate to physical form so those ideas will never take any physical form.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I agree with you; and sometimes I see that science has both eyes closed.
It is no more guilty of this than any other human paradigm of thought. No humans will have the Ultimate Answer Octavia speaks of. No human is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. That science can no more readily bypass the limits of being human than any other discipline does not negate its value.
McBell
Unbound
Define "absolute idea" and give an example of one.
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
Absolutely.
The Qabalah explains this idea beautifully by splitting existance into 4 worlds.
If applied to the Car:
1. Archetypal World - The idea of Movement
2. Creative World - A device built on comustion design to tranport approx 4 people
3. Formative world - Every possible blueprint of a car that could ever be imagined
4. Material World - An actual car.
This model pefectly demonstrates for me how the Material world is not the be all and end of existance, it is simply the world of 'that which has mainfested'
If you have an idea for your dream house in your head - you can't argue that idea exists - it may not be a physical house, you can still hold it in your minds eye, probably clearer that any house you've ever lived in.
Science is extremely effective at explaining the Material World. But I can't see it escaping Malkuth anytime soon...
Any Archetypal idea would be absolute - Everything manifest has descended from an absolute idea.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
From what little I understand (the Wiki hurts my head) memetics tracks development, which is not the same thing.
If I'm wrong, please educate me. Slowly.
Octavia156
OTO/EGC
A great philosopher once pointed out:
I am Omniscient, for naught exists for me unless I know it.
I am Omnipresent, for naught exists where I am not, who fashioned Space as a condition of my consciousness of myself, who am the centre of all, and my circumference the frame of mine own fancy.
I am Omnipotent, for naught occurs save by Necessity, my soul's expression through my Will to be, to do, to suffer the symbols of itself.
You're right in the objective sense of course....
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Do you mean that an idea could be quantified or measured? Do all ideas have the same weightage or measurements?
The brain uses frequencies to encode memory. I don't think changing the frequencies or brain waves would change the weight of the neurons.
How the brain makes memories: rhythmically! / UCLA Newsroom