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Can We Tolerate Conspiracy Theories?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I've tried to discredit them, but I've found it is extremely difficult to disprove them in the eyes of the people who believe them. The FEMA death-camp conspiracy, for example, is one I can easily disprove, because I live just a few miles from one of these alleged death camps - which makes it one of my favorites - because all of the evidence of the existence of this camp is actually just evidence there is a prison there, which is what they are trying to say this camp is, even though it's actually just a prison. The only thing unusual, it seems, is having minimal-through maximum security inmates, and the prison is just a few miles from a few school buildings. It hasn't caused any problems, but many parents were very concerned about it when the prison first opened.
 

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
sorry about that. I wasn't focusing on one theory.

What I was trying to say was that conspiracy theories are deeply corrosive to public trust in democratic institutions and that the widespread profusion of conspiracy theories is more conducive to dictatorial systems. If we see conpiracies everywhere, we will end up very polarised between those who refuse to the trust the government and those who want to it to take away our freedoms to preserve order against unspecified threats. the sheer number of conspiracy theories that are in circulation now is alarming as we could end up making decisions based on suspicision rather than information.

There are systems other than representative democracy and autocracy. I think representative democracy is failing us, and deserves to be knocked down a peg. Not in favor of something more centralized, but something more decentralized.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
In my book, the "New World Order" isn't new, and it doesn't need spooky symbolism (especially not where *everyone* can see it - the Illuminati would have to be really lazy to just put all-seeing eyes everywhere in the open). Puppet governments and global empires have been a fixture of world geopolitics for centuries. It is true that the CIA was involved in the Latin American drug trade; it is true that they toppled democratic governments. The Department of Defense proposed a false flag bomb attack credited to the Cuban government. There's evidence that the US military knew that Japan would surrender without using the bomb, but wanted to make a show of force after its discover.

I don't believe in stuff like "9/11" truth - why would the world's biggest capitalist power bomb its main financial center? And obviously, any and all anti-Semitic theories are repugnant and should die.

For some reason, whenever a conspiracy theory is confirmed to be true, or have great evidence, like the CIA/Latin American drug trade, there are no longer referred to as conspiracies in common lexicon, which is silly. A conspiracy is just a group of people attempting so goal without others knowing. People do this everyday.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
They hid it for 8 years before it was revealed though. I think I understand what you mean though. But I do not agree that massive conspiracy theories are always come out.

It was known before that. It was widely reported 8 years in. There were reports about a massive data bank being built in the dessert 6 years earlier. It took 8 years for them to find the evidence to go public on the networks.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
For some reason, whenever a conspiracy theory is confirmed to be true, or have great evidence, like the CIA/Latin American drug trade, there are no longer referred to as conspiracies in common lexicon, which is silly. A conspiracy is just a group of people attempting so goal without others knowing. People do this everyday.

That would be because they are no longer theories. They would still be conspiracies though.
 
There are some many conspiracy theories one needs more than an entire life time to sort them all out.One that will forever boggle the minds of man is the JFK assassination.Some speculate it was one of his very own agents, who was there to protect him, who accidentally fired the fatal shot from behind.Here you can see the AR-15 in the hands of Agent Hickey.The bullet that first hit JFK was a round tip bullet that went straight through.The fatal shot that ripped his head open was done by a bullet that shatters into pieces.How is it that two types of bullets were used but only one gun was used by Lee Harvey Oswald.? Think about that.

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dust1n

Zindīq
That would be because they are no longer theories. They would still be conspiracies though.

A theory ceases to be a theory when well-evidenced or proven? I guess I can follow that. But it's not like a conspiracy can be confirmed 100%...
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
I've had a look through the wikipedia page on the "New World Order" conspiracy theories, and I'm surprised by how many ideas I actually share with them, or have come accross over the years.

e.g. A "North american union" of the US, Canada, Mexico, the European Union as part of a step towards world government, the threat of genocide and neo-malthusian policies in response to environmental problems, the kennedy assasination, corporate conspiracies, UFOs, 9/11 truthers, FEMA camps, etc.

What started out as a fringe thinking from Evangelical Christians with "end-time" prophesies, and the Far-Right "Patriot movement", has gone pretty much mainstream. Conspiracy theories are now a part of popular culture (especially on Youtube). Whilst these things can be "fun" and entertaining, they are also politically very damaging.

The top of the list, has to be Climate Change denial which is real, man-made and does pose a thread to the future of the planet. There is a consensus that it exists, but there is no consensus about how bad it will be.

I think for the US, another example has to be about fears over Gun control laws and Public Healthcare, as extensions of government power as a way to threaten people's civil liberties, whilst other countries in the world do in fact have gun control and public healthcare without such problems. We've also seen the idea that the fact there is a (cough...black) president in the US who had to demonstrate that he was actually born in the country and was elligable to run by producing his birth certificate.

Clearly, when conspiracy theories are taken seriously, they are damaging to the legitimacy of the current system of government which remains democratic and liberal. it's not a perfect system by any measure, but its still "the best we've got". its part of a anti-political and anti-capitalist culture of apathy, cynicism and (relatively futile) individual dissent which is attacking the ideals of the very institutions many of these conspiracy theorists profess to wish to preserve. Individually, they are harmless. but collectively, its deeply corrosive.

There are of course, exceptions such as Edward Snowden producing evidence of Mass Survialliance in the US and by intelligence agencies around the world.

So I'm wondering, can we as individuals really be tolerant of conspiracy theories or should we try to discredit them when we have the oppurtunity?

Is there a relationship between conspiracy theories and religion as a form of mysticism? Can we trust the government and yet remain alert to conspiracies when they do happen?

And (dare I say it), should the government and/or the media take steps to counter conspiracy theories to promote a democratic culture? what would they be?

[hmm... that ought to work. :D]

If any of you have good advice as to how to convince people that conspiracy theories are not true, it might be worth sharing.
I would say that conspiracy theories should be looked at with extreme skepticism. Many fraudulent/erroeous theories can be shown to "make sense", but that in no way provides support for them. It is easy to be led astray from the truth in this way. Not to say that they are always wrong, but verifiable evidence should be demanded before credence is given.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
I would say that conspiracy theories should be looked at with extreme skepticism. Many fraudulent/erroeous theories can be shown to "make sense", but that in no way provides support for them. It is easy to be led astray from the truth in this way. Not to say that they are always wrong, but verifiable evidence should be demanded before credence is given.

Exactly right. When talking about any major event, someone, often more than one someone, benefits. But correlation does not equate to causation.
 
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