Frank Goad
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I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
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lostwanderingsoul
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It's called giving people a choice. Do you want to be told what food to eat or what TV show to watch? God puts information out there and you have a choice to believe it or not.
I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
This is a problem with Ancient religions were more into a hands on anthropomorphic God(s), well defined good and evil, and the consequences of not doing what you are told. Gone are the days of mythology, and the hands on God, to a world of many diverse and conflicting claims, and the knowledge of a diverse history of humans many thousands of years old.
God may exist, but not the ancient human view of God(s). God would reflect the nature of our existence billions of years, and the diverse humanity of hundreds of thousands of years
Thief
Rogue Theologian
that would describe the Borg of Star Trek fameI have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
McBell
Unbound
Ah, so basically you are saying that God is unable to prove his existence in any manner that would not infringe upon free will?
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
Jehovah is a pacifist.
Iymus
Active Member
I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
Isa 7:13 KJV And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
1Sa 15:23 KJV For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Jer 44:16 KJV As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.
Jer 44:17 KJV But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
Jehovah did not create us to be robots. He made us different to all of the other creatures because we alone were to be his representatives on this earth....it’s caretakers and zookeepers.
None of the negative things we experience in this life was meant to happen. In the beginning, God’s purpose was to have humankind looking after his creation as he would....that is why he gave humans his qualities. But a rebel spirit decided to tempt the humans into serving him as their god and ruler. He apparently envied the worship that was given to God by this lower creation and wanted it for himself.
Because humans have free will, God would not force anyone to obey him, so he allowed the devil a free hand to try and prove that his rulership was better. He gave them his instructions and asked them to follow his laws, but he left it up to individuals to make that choice. In doing that, he was giving all of us the opportunity to show him who we really are. Those who choose to serve God will do so of their own free will, not because they feel forced to but because they really want to from the heart, out of love and respect for their Creator and his creation.
He is dividing the human race to see who the rebels are and who will be chosen as citizens of his kingdom. Rebellion is what got us into this mess in the first place, so there will be no rebels in God’s kingdom, or those who want to make excuses to God for failing to uphold his laws. We prove to God now, whether we will qualify for citizenship in his kingdom, regardless of what temptations the devil puts in front of us. God is also looking for those who will use their free will to benefit others, not just themselves.
Skwim
Veteran Member
He does know, but he doesn't care?.I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
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Nimos
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Apparently it has to be as incompetent as possible, so not only is it written in a language hardly anyone understand, but also during a time where hardly anyone could read or write and to a very small group of people. All hidden behind the excuse, that you should have a choice, because he commanded you toI have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
All I can say is that was the approach I took to marriage: before our wedding and the "I dos," I made sure that my partner's choice to marry me was free. I did this by hiding myself from her to the point where it wasn't clear to her whether I existed at all.
cataway
Well-Known Member
you speak as one that thinks God is a servant .
Skwim
Veteran Member
The question was, "Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the same time?" which assumes god doesn't make everyone believe in him at the same time. Taking this assumption as true the only reason I can think of is that perhaps he doesn't care: It's not important that everyone believe in him at the same time, or maybe even at all. God created mankind as entertainment and as a source for praising him, and perhaps part of that entertainment is watching mankind struggle, and,he doesn't need everyone to praise him, just enough of us.
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halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
We use the word 'faith' to mean to believe without evidence first (at least to believe first, before any confirmations) -- faith is to believe in what is not seen.I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
'Faith' and 'love' are the two stated goals for people to arrive at in this life, and God has set things up to allow us to get to them.
Faith is a pronounced trust.
But, notice, if there was easy, obvious proof of God or of Christ....then 'faith' would be impossible!
Pre-empted. Precluded. Even...prevented in one sense.
Because, again, faith is to believe without seeing.
(Next you might ask: why does God only want souls that can trust Him? Well, one partial, or beginning answer is found from truly listening to the Garden of Eden story, where Eve and Adam trust the serpent over God, above God. Think of the long term effect of distrusting God....)
I don't think ignorance is freedom.
If God delivered a Message everyone would be free to make the best choice. But that doesn't happen.
Instead, a zillion humans claim to speak for God. They have zillions of different messages.
And lots of those messages are humans claiming that Almighty God is quite limited. Illogical as it is, much of Abrahamic religion is humans explaining why Almighty God can't do this or that.
As an example, Genesis God couldn't undo the effects of leaving A&E alone with the Tree and serpent. He wasn't even there while Eve and the serpent had their little chat. Instead, God was forced to impose huge suffering on everyone else for thousands of years, and counting. Because the Original God of the Bible wasn't Almighty, He was a bit of a bumbler and rather paranoid. So He is stuck with the results of planting that Tree as much as anyone.
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steveb1
Member
I have a question.If Jehovah is all knowing.Why doesn't he know the perfect way to use his powers as Jehovah to make everyone believe in him at the sametime?
The received narrative is that YHVH preferred to work inside human hearts and human history after the Edenic "Fall". Hence "salvation history" launched, via scripture and its evolving story of kings, prophets, revelations, etc. YHVH preferred to reveal himself to a nomad named Abram and promised that he would make Abram the father of a special people chosen by YHVH. In turn, the Chosen were to serve YHVH alone, as well as serving as a "light unto the Gentiles/the nations".
No one knows exactly why YHVH chose this course of action, instead of simply, in the first place, eliminating the Serpent from the Garden and planting the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil elsewhere. But apparently he decided that the best course of action would be to work his plans inside of human history.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well since people are givin a free choice, how about making Hell a happening place? Like choosing to have no pineapple in the cottage cheese?