lunamoth
Will to love
Connection to what?
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Can You Be Good Without God?
- Thread starter Sunstone
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Connection to what?
I think you understand why some people feel the need to believe in god.
Off of the top of my head, a few reasons include:
-A sense of control.
-A sense of well-being.
-A sense of hope at times when the world is hopeless.
-A sense of vengeance and tribalism.
-Someone to talk to when nobody will listen.
-A sense of being understood.
-A desire to be loved.
-etc.
There are better things to turn to then god in these instances, but it's one of the most common.
waitasec
Veteran Member
to the present time
like when you're with the people you love most and there is that moment of contact that is mutually understood
when you have those laughing fits that you cannot stop
lunamoth
Will to love
You don't need to 'understand my God' or 'follow my God.'
I am not trying to change your personal beliefs in any way.
You are being a little sensitive. People write on this board all the time about their beliefs and lack thereof. I'm not trying to proselytize you or anyone. From my POV, if you do good, that good came from God.
Disagree - fine. But when you say that I can't write my POV on a board that is supposed to be about discussing religion without it amounting to 'imposing it on you,' then you are guilty of shutting out voices and taking certain topics off the table for discussion.
lunamoth
Will to love
That's a great answer. Being with those you love, sharing the experience of love and life together.
Do you think everyone feels this way, or must feel this way?
Can you show me evidence for why this is meaningful?
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
more like living in the moment, and if you're lucky enough, with the ones you love
sadly no..too much anger in the world
i can't speak for anyone else
all i know it's meaningful to me...
lunamoth
Will to love
more like living in the moment, and if you're lucky enough, with the ones you love
sadly no..too much anger in the world
i can't speak for anyone else
all i know it's meaningful to me...
Thank you for your answers! So, you would agree that something can be valid without you having to provide evidence to others. No evidence, except your feelings or experience, but it is valid. You can't demonstrate it to anyone else, but you are still completely rational.
Am I understanding you correctly?
waitasec
Veteran Member
And hope is something you don't allow yourself?
not hope in something that doesn't exists
waitasec
Veteran Member
experience is evidence, imo
did you steal this argument from the movie "contact" :sarcastic
lunamoth
Will to love
Even personal experience that you can't objectively test by some empirical method?
No, it has been many years since I saw that movie.
How is it connected?
And from my POV, crediting the good of one person to someone or something else diminshes the person who actually did the good.
To say that a person's good is attributable to God is to imply that the person is less than he really is.
Whether or not you realize it, your comment speaks directly against my own beliefs. I believe in the inherent worth of the person. Your comment suggests that this worth is actually inherent in God and not in the person.
If God is the source of all that's good, then humanity is intinsically worthless. While I recognize that this is a widely-held view, I still think it's a very negative position.
I'm not saying that you can't tell us your point of view. I'm saying that I disagree with your point of view... and I have just as much right to say that as you had to give us your point of view in the first place.
lunamoth
Will to love
Not at all! We are made in the image of God - we are good.
You've made it abundantly clear that my comments are in conflict with your beliefs. I believe in the inherent worth of a person, all persons. Believing that we were made good by a good God who is the source of all good does not in any way say that people are not good.
If God is the source of all that is good, and we are made by God, then we are good. It is a very positive position.
When you do good, when Warren Buffet does good, when Bill Gates does good, and even on those rare occasions when Pat Robertson does good, it is all of your personal goodness taking the goodness of God into the world.
You are not a hollow reed or pipe; you are made in the image of God.
What's so awful about that?
OK then! :angel2:
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waitasec
Veteran Member
the empirical evidence is experience.
you asked what gave my life meaning
is that a objective question? absolutely not.
i was just joking...
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
It may be a line from a movie, but it's true.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Experience is evidence, like it or not.
waitasec
Veteran Member
that's what i said by answering a subjective question
empirical evidence...
what is your empirical evidence for what gives your life meaning?
or how she originally put it
what gives your life meaning?
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
The evidence for what gives my life meaning does not exist outside my own mind and heart. Sorry.