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Can you mingle Hinduism with Christianity?

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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thank you this confirms my fears , from what I understand of Jesus his teachings alone are reminicent of the pure goodness found in Sanatana Dharma and in Buddhism , but that like Hinduism Christianity has been diverted in different directions by the later thought of different teachers and acharyas , it is these diversions into 'isms' that make Christianity and Hinduism incompatable .

I think I can summarize it all, risking irreverence (not intended), by inverting a cherished verse: "There is One Truth that the ignorant* divide into many".

*'ignorant' not in a pejorative sense, but rather: lacking knowledge or awareness in general, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about (dictionary definitions).
 

atanu

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If anyone wants to mingle and mix, that is up to them. If someone wants to stick with Hinduism in it's pure form, that's up to them. If someone wants to practice Catholicism, that's up to them. Individuals have freedom of choice. Our duty is to educate people on just what this choice might mean.

However, what is pure Hindu form? Who can claim to be following a pure Hindu Vedic form? Who even knows the pure Hindu form?
 

Vinayaka

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However, what is pure Hindu form? Who can claim to be following a pure Hindu Vedic form? Who even knows the pure Hindu form?

Good question. Many schools, many sampradayas, lots of history. In this case, I personally don't see it so much in defining what is Hindu, but more in what's not Hindu.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram jai ji
I think I can summarize it all, risking irreverence (not intended), by inverting a cherished verse: "There is One Truth that the ignorant* divide into many".

*'ignorant' not in a pejorative sense, but rather: lacking knowledge or awareness in general, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about (dictionary definitions).


jai jai , ...only when a person is willing to realise his ignorance is he begining to show inteligence , this he usualy shows in the form of humility as only through Humility does he become enlightened ....hopefully no one will take offerce at such a small truth :)

"There is One Truth that the ignorant* divide into many".

however yes this just about sums up the cause of all problems .
 

Vinayaka

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I think it's entire possible to respect differences without having anything in common at all philosophically. Humanity, yes, we're all human.

An Olympic swimmer probably has great respect for a footballer, despite the two sports having little, if anything in common, other than athleticism.

I'd still like to know if we helped Sirona.
 
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atanu

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namaskaram jai ji

jai jai , ...only when a person is willing to realise his ignorance is he begining to show inteligence , this he usualy shows in the form of humility as only through Humility does he become enlightened ....hopefully no one will take offerce at such a small truth :)

"There is One Truth that the ignorant* divide into many".

however yes this just about sums up the cause of all problems .

Again this can be seen as a layered thing, IMO.

In Hinduism itself not much mixing is favoured. For example, a Vaisnava will always worship or meditate with Vishnu's form but not with any other Deity. Similar with Saiva devotees and Durga devotees. It is to strengthen attention and concentration.

Arjuna alone received Shri Krishna's upadesha because Arjuna alone had unbeatable concentration. The meaning of devotion, I think, is this only... Undivided attention.

So mixing of methods may not be advisable fot sadhakas-seekers.

OTOH, going by accounts of realised jnanis, the situation is not same. Most of these teachers have taught that all paths lead to the same summit. That there is no difference in teachings of Buddha, Krishna, or Christ.

I do think that it is best to follow one's Guru.
 

Jainarayan

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It comes down to what works for the individual. There is hardly a religion or belief system on Earth, except maybe those of small isolated societies, that is not a syncretization or admixture of other belief systems from some point in its history, and is "pure". Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity and a host of others are all syncretizations from some point. Santeria, a living, thriving religion is a syncretization of Roman Catholicism, Caribbean island, and west African religions. At some point in time, someone or a group found what worked, what didn't, and they kept or tossed those elements.

Religions as they are, are codified and handed down and passed around like cultural memes. That's why religions are what they are. We say we tolerate and respect others' beliefs, but do we? It seems that respect only extends to those who practice "pure" religions. It seems there's little respect or understanding of people's mixed beliefs. Anyone can mix and practice anything that one wants if they can make it work... I only caution against giving a syncretization a label that already exists, e.g. calling Santeria a form of Roman Catholicism, because it is not.
 

Poeticus

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I think it's entire possible to respect differences without having anything in common at all philosophically. Humanity, yes, we're all human.

... What you speak of, I believe, is known as mutual respect - a very progressive notion.
 
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Vinayaka

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That's why religions are what they are. We say we tolerate and respect others' beliefs, but do we? It seems that respect only extends to those who practice "pure" religions.

Anybody can do whatever they want. All souls deserve respect as part of a larger humanity, and having the spark of divinity with them, but only in so far as the belief doesn't include violence against others. In that case we close the door. (Or in one ear and out the other) At least I will.
 

Jainarayan

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Without a doubt. Unfortunately there are too many in this world that don't think that way. We've seen it all too often in history.
 

Vinayaka

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Without a doubt. Unfortunately there are too many in this world that don't think that way. We've seen it all too often in history.

I find it just odd how often I see accusations bandied about, but the individual making the accusation is just as guilty of it as their accused. I'm probably like that too. :) And am just too dumb to figure it out.
 

ratikala

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namaskaram atanu ji

Again this can be seen as a layered thing, IMO.

In Hinduism itself not much mixing is favoured. For example, a Vaisnava will always worship or meditate with Vishnu's form but not with any other Deity. Similar with Saiva devotees and Durga devotees. It is to strengthen attention and concentration.

here I agree wholeheartedly for the inexperienced one needs to fix the mind on ones chosen divinity otherwise one canot become fully conversant with its qualities , only when one is able to gain such single pointedness and fullness of understanding is one equiped to see the sameness and difference of the qualities in another Deva .
Arjuna alone received Shri Krishna's upadesha because Arjuna alone had unbeatable concentration. The meaning of devotion, I think, is this only... Undivided attention.

we must bear in mind also our conections and devotions to a particular form through association over countless lives , ...
So mixing of methods may not be advisable fot sadhakas-seekers.

again I entirely agree

OTOH, going by accounts of realised jnanis, the situation is not same. Most of these teachers have taught that all paths lead to the same summit. That there is no difference in teachings of Buddha, Krishna, or Christ.

I do think that it is best to follow one's Guru.

in some respects having experience of both Buddhist sadhana followed by vaisnava Sadhana , I will again entirely agree , ultimately there is no difference in the atainment of pure knowledge , but for one to practice two paths symultaniously will lead to moments of conflict in method as a truth realised is very different from the practice needed to atain that knowledge .

for me meeting a Vaisnava guru was like a new spiritual birth , the only difference between this and physical birth is that I remember my previous Buddhist birth ,and I am glad for that , but even with knowledge aquired from both being present on a perminant basis , if I wish to atain further knowledge I can only follow one set of instructions ....I have even thought at times , ..that ones karma , ones previous actions , dictates where one finds one self and to which deity or deva one naturaly finds one self drawn , and that prehaps one should not fight this but that one should do what is intended as it is ones pre ordained Dharma .....and as Sri Krsna explains in the Gita it is better to do ones own Dharma than to attempt to do the Dharma of another no mater how perfectly one is able to do it .
 

Vouthon

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This is exactly right. Christianity is not Christianity, it is Paulism. It ceased being Christianity when Paul inserted himself into it and used it as a platform for his thoughts.

It never fails to amaze me how often St. Paul is subjected to scorn for allegedly diluting or unduly fleshing out or just plain "corrupting" Jesus' message. I don't know how someone can read his Letters, those that are genuinely by him and not the Pastorals which are merely attributed to him, and not come away with an appreciation for the depth of his thought, his adoration for Christ and his missionary fervour. Had it not been for Paul, Christianity would likely have died out like other fledgling offshoots of Judaism such as the Essene sect.

Christian mystics see Paul as their hero. As Evelyn Underhill, an early 20th century scholar of Christin mysticism noted:

"...Christian literature begins with a handful of letters written by a mystic; that is to say, with the epistles of St. Paul, the oldest books of the New Testament. Though we might appeal to the Synoptic portrait of Jesus, as our real guarantee for that balanced life of loving communion with God and active charity to men which is the ideal of Christian mysticism - still, the Gospels as we have them are later than St. Paul's career. This means that the earliest documentary witness to Jesus Christ that we possess is the witness of mysticism; and it tell us, not about His earthly life, but about the intense and transfiguring experience of His continued presence, enjoyed by one who had never known Him in the flesh..."

- Evelyn Underhill, The Mystics of the Church (1925)

Even the Gnostics revered him and considered him to be one of their greatest exponents. If you don't believe me just read the Prayer of Paul in the Nag Hammadi corpus or Elaine Pagels works on the matter.

His authentic Letters are the earliest Christian documents that we posses; the sayings and life of Jesus were at that time chiefly passed around orally or through primitive documents such as the hypothetical Q source underlying the synoptic and the Passion narrative and Signs Gospel thought to underpin the Gospel of John's traditions.

Yes, he never knew Jesus personally. His conversion to Christianity rested around a profoundly personal religious experience - and that's the point, he had direct apprehension of the truths of which Jesus spoke, rather than merely relating them in a mechanical, lifeless fashion. Why on earth one thinks that Jesus would have disapproved of this is beyond me. St. Paul lived Jesus' message. He could pass it on orally too - he refers to the Last Supper and quotes Jesus in his Letters, in Acts he is described as passing on a saying of Jesus about giving. But he went much further than that.

I think it is judgemental to intimate that his visions are likely untrue. So too then are those of any mystic: since all we have to rely on are their word and the witness of their life.

In 2 Corinthians, he lets slip that his ability, although never having known Jesus, to compose inspired literature and teachings that would become Christian scripture, stemmed from a profound experience in which he lost conscious awareness of both himself and creation, a characteristic example of "non-sensuous" mysticism. He explains how he was, “caught up to the third heaven — whether in the body or out of the body I do not know; God knows…. [And was] caught up into Paradise and heard things that are not to be told, that no mortal is permitted to repeat” (2 Cor 12:1-4).

Being unable to describe adequately with words what one has "experienced", is a classic example of ineffability, one of the qualifying signs of a mystical experience.

His lack of awareness as to whether he was "in the body or out of the body" indicates the breakdown of his surface intelligence and a lose of awareness of himself of a distinct "I".

This is confirmed by his famous declaration in Galatians: "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me" (Galatians 2:20).

A later Christian mystic, from the Syrian Orthodox Church, had the exact same experience (and I use his as my signature quote):


"...The ground on which I have been proceeding has been altered before me. My intelligence has been astonished by the marvel which You provoke and henceforth I know myself as not existing...My soul from then on was remaining as if in annihilation but without passing away. Friends were blotted out of my heart, unloved as enemies from of old. When I became weak, for a time He left me like this, amazed at Him and what is His. From that time I was existing without mind as non-existing, without perception, without vision, and without hearing, but in amazement and great stillness. There is no movement or knowledge there since in the experienced one knowledge has forgotten itself and even how to know...[The soul] is supremely illumined again and penetrates into the holy and greatly resplendent light. It gets absorbed in the glory of vision and is amazed. [Then] everything is lifted from its sight as being non-existent, and [the soul] forgets itself, being united to the light of the glory of the Majesty. It is captivated by its beauty and sees the glorious Hypostases [of the Trinity] through knowledge, that is, through unknowing, which is higher than all knowledge and all those who know..."

- Saint John of Dalyatha (8th century), Letter 4,16; Discourse 8


John of Dalyatha in one of his letters refers too, "Paul, the philosopher of the Spirit" as his inspiration.

If I practise "Paulism" according to you, then I am happy to declare myself a proud Paulite. I daresay that I must be in very good company.

Loud and proud, because as he said "I live no longer I, but Christ lives in me". May we all be blessed to reach such a state of freedom from selfish desire and humility.
 
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Vouthon

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Whatever, all this does not concern a Hindu.

I am merely responding to a point raised by Jainarayan. Since this thread is no longer in the Dharmic religions forum, I think it is legitimate to discuss it.
 

Desert Snake

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It never fails to amaze me how often St. Paul is subjected to scorn for allegedly diluting or unduly fleshing out or just plain "corrupting" Jesus' message. I don't know how someone can read his Letters, those that are genuinely by him and not the Pastorals which are merely attributed to him, and not come away with an appreciation for the depth of his thought, his adoration for Christ and his missionary fervour. Had it not been for Paul, Christianity would likely have died out like other fledgling offshoots of Judaism such as the Essene sect.

Many, perhaps most, of the early Christian converts were Essenes. Jesus was obviously inter-related to them through teaching and probably culture, there might even be a strong correlation between His title "The Nazarene" and association with the Essenes, as these groups were somehow related. An early description of Essenic worship is very similar to the Evangelical Church style.

We also have Essenic things still, so Essenic traditions are seemingly very involved in Christian culture/belief.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I am merely responding to a point raised by Jainarayan. Since this thread is no longer in the Dharmic religions forum, I think it is legitimate to discuss it.
:) I am only putting across my views and not objecting to any discussion.
 

Vinayaka

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:) I am only putting across my views and not objecting to any discussion.

Don't worry. It's turned into an off topic Christian Christian discussion now. I just hope the OP has been back to read. It's sad if a sincere question is posed, and then the questioner doesn't make it back to hear the answers, or if by the time they get back it's way off topic. :)
 

paarsurrey

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Can you mingle Hinduism with Christianity? Is the result palatable?

I recently bought God Talks with Arjuna, the Bhagavad Gita commentary by Paramahansa Yogananda. Somebody had “warned” me it might contain references to Christianity, and he was right. He told me it was written in an era where Hindus had to adopt Christian concepts to gain readers from the western hemisphere. As a matter of fact I don’t know what to think of it, although I got from Christianity to Hinduism via theosophy.

In core beliefs of Krishna and Jesus; it has a possibility.

Regards
 
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