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Can you really fight who you are?
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Isn't the observer changed by observing?
Sure, it's OK to just be you. Self-examination/self realization still has a transformative effect. Has that been a waste of effort?The term self improvement, however, carries with it the implication that you your-self are not okay as you are. You're not 'being You' the 'right way'.
So you wind up working against your self, to be something else-- some 'improved', 'Better' version of your self.. which often winds up having nothing at all to do with you at all.
And when does 'self improvement' end? When is it okay to just be You? (being yourself)
Motivation and how satisfied you are factors.
Well said.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
As people age they become more them selves.
Age emphasises characteristics.
We are in effect two people... the person we try to be, and the person we are.
Age tends to eliminate pretence.
showing our true self.
I am old enough to know.
Age emphasises characteristics.
We are in effect two people... the person we try to be, and the person we are.
Age tends to eliminate pretence.
showing our true self.
I am old enough to know.
Firstly, I don't view it as a fight. It's a reprogramming of the subconscious mind, a remolding of personality, habit patterns, by using the will to have a series of experiences that counter previous ones. For example, I switched to vegetarianism 40 years back. It's been successful. I am no longer a meat-eater. The key is to understand its a process of reshaping.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I'm both too awesome to resist and too awesome to be defeated, so it would be one heck of an epic stalemate.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I have quote it because otherwise people might not notice it.
This is an extremely wise statement. :clap
WyattDerp
Active Member
A seed change, must wither or grow into a plant, but it doesn't have to fight what it is.
Only people who (ab)use people have to fight what people are. Often enough those "enemies" are ourselves, but at any rate we're embedded into a society of them, too.
Being dissatisfied with oneself can be a healthy reaction to being on a bad personal path, but it can also be a reaction to the expectations of, uhm, random people... some don't even know why they expect some things of others, they just know it's expected of them to expect those things, and because we're social animals, we sometimes pick that stuff up, especially in our youth. So IF you want to change yourself, ever, first make super sure that's actually you speaking, not something or someone else.
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Only people who (ab)use people have to fight what people are. Often enough those "enemies" are ourselves, but at any rate we're embedded into a society of them, too.
Being dissatisfied with oneself can be a healthy reaction to being on a bad personal path, but it can also be a reaction to the expectations of, uhm, random people... some don't even know why they expect some things of others, they just know it's expected of them to expect those things, and because we're social animals, we sometimes pick that stuff up, especially in our youth. So IF you want to change yourself, ever, first make super sure that's actually you speaking, not something or someone else.
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Those who know the nature of self tell us that it is the concept of self that we take as the self. This mistake generates a lot of drama but it generates more of painful drama at the end.
It is not in the capacity of the image/shadow self to get rid of the ignorance. Eventually, it is the real self that shakes off the ignorance when the show finishes. So really there is no struggle.
But to the shadow self, it seems that a bloody struggle is going on.
So, I agree to your post.
You mean to enact a drama of the drama?
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Not only is that amusing, it is a good point.
The drama is still an expression of you.
It is you trying to battle you, or you trying to re'form you, or you trying to save you, or you trying to find someone else to save you. We are our own jailors, persecutors, defendants, judges, doctors, mothers, heroes, villians and gods.
No matter what you do, you will always BE you. Deep down inside. No matter what roles you play on the outside. It's all still you. You can't get away from you.
The person I was two to six years ago was obsessed with a woman who turned out to not be worth my attention at all.
The person I was twenty years ago was hopelessly enthralled with a conception of the world that could not stand on its own.
Both times I fought who I was and arguably won.
Not that I had a choice, or that the price wasn't hefty, mind you.
I think obsessions are just distractions from who we always are deep down at our core. (as Alceste put it)