Can you swear that - you're affirm your religion is truth, and will never change to disbelieve it?

[ChristineES]

I believe that my faith is true. That's good enough for me. In my faith, faith is what's important. I don't think it's arrogant to say "I believe my faith is true" at all. No one would follow a faith if he or she didn't believe it. I don't even think that first answer is arrogant, since the statement does indeed say "I'll never change to disbelieve my religion" and it's not saying anything about anyone else believing in it.

 

[Quintessence]

I wonder sometimes if "arrogance" is something that, to an outsider, is a dislikable or insufferable degree of self-confidence and pride. Don't get me wrong, I'm as guilty of slapping that word on people as anyone, but it makes me wonder...

If I wasn't feeling lazy I'd make a thread on it. *laughs*

 

[ChristineES]

I wonder sometimes if "arrogance" is something that, to an outsider, is a dislikable or insufferable degree of self-confidence and pride. Don't get me wrong, I'm as guilty of slapping that word on people as anyone, but it makes me wonder...

If I wasn't feeling lazy I'd make a thread on it. *laughs*

We all put labels on people: Sometimes it warranted and other times it isn't. I think we really need to look carefully at things before we do it. But we're all guilty of it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Can you explain your understanding of the definition of 'religion' ?

My belief about the truth of existence and my way of life.
Did I miss out on any thing?

 

[Norman]

(1a) Can you swear that - you're affirm that your religion is truth, and will never change to disbelieve it?

(1b) Can you swear that - you'll believe and follow your religion all your life, the chances of you leaving your religion is 0.00% ?

(1c) Can you swear that - the possibilities of your religion being a wrong religion, the chance of it is 0.00% ?

(2) If people can swear that they'll never disbelieve their religion, then why some of them preach to each other and advice each other to convert to each other's different religion?

(3) Is question (1a) meaningless and shouldn't be ask in the first place? Why?

Edit: Add two similar questions (1b) and (1c) and a new question (2). A question have also edited to become question (3).

Norman: Hi Pudding, I voted (1a) I know and believe that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is truth and I never have or will try to ever try to change to disbelieve it. I have been an
active member of my faith for thirty years now. It has brought me happiness, peace and great spiritual knowledge of the purpose of my life. Who I am and where I am going after death. By the way I
think this is an excellent post

 

[Riverwolf]

My religion isn't interested in truth, and so I don't affirm its truth.

I can't say what the future will bring. Nobody can. I may stay with this religion, I may change it. Nobody can say for sure.

 

[DawudTalut]

So, you are not open to any possibility that your religious beliefs might possibly be wrong?

Peace be on you.

1-When one finds claims of his or her religion repeatedly becoming true in practice of their own life and in the lives of others practitioners and

2-one finds those who knowingly oppose those claims seriously continuously failing,

THEN

It would not be an act of intelligence to think a well, properly, all-weather, all-places working religion is wrong.


All evidence and visibility proves my faith is not only right but it will be dominant. Within 300 years it will have outstanding reach as prophesied by the founder..It officially began in 1889.


2015-1889=126 years have passed in inception of Ahmadiyya-Muslim Community (Jama'at).It started from a remote unknown town in India by its founder Hazrat Promised Messiah Mahdi, who prophesied his success to convey the right peaceful message of Islam to the world and the establishment of Khilafat.


In the face of united opposition by Muslims-sects and other religions, the Community / Jama'at under Fifth Khalifah has officially reached to 206 countries with millions of educated, humble, peaceful multinational members.


Hence there can not be an iota of doubt left.


By the grace of God, my faith is not only right but working very well as was foretold by Holy Prophet of Islam about 1400 years ago.



Thank you, your honour.

 

[leibowde84]

Peace be on you.

1-When one finds claims of his or her religion repeatedly becoming true in practice of their own life and in the lives of others practitioners and

2-one finds those who knowingly oppose those claims seriously continuously failing,

THEN

It would not be an act of intelligence to think a well, properly, all-weather, all-places working religion is wrong.


All evidence and visibility proves my faith is not only right but it will be dominant. Within 300 years it will have outstanding reach as prophesied by the founder..It officially began in 1889.


2015-1889=126 years have passed in inception of Ahmadiyya-Muslim Community (Jama'at).It started from a remote unknown town in India by its founder Hazrat Promised Messiah Mahdi, who prophesied his success to convey the right peaceful message of Islam to the world and the establishment of Khilafat.


In the face of united opposition by Muslims-sects and other religions, the Community / Jama'at under Fifth Khalifah has officially reached to 206 countries with millions of educated, humble, peaceful multinational members.


Hence there can not be an iota of doubt left.


By the grace of God, my faith is not only right but working very well as was foretold by Holy Prophet of Islam about 1400 years ago.



Thank you, your honour.

That is the definition of being "closed-minded". Imho, these do not provide any kind of proof that you can't be wrong. Maybe it has become more and more unlikely that it would be false, but the possibility is always there, no matter how strong your faith is.

 

[DawudTalut]

That is the definition of being "closed-minded". Imho, these do not provide any kind of proof that you can't be wrong. Maybe it has become more and more unlikely that it would be false, but the possibility is always there, no matter how strong your faith is.

Respectfully disagree.
If theory works in practice, it is The Truth, even in worldly matter too.
Plz just consider your religion, Jesus stood for reforms, he knew he was from God, he stood on cross [not for others sins] but he knew he would survive, he did by Pilate's designs and was taken for healing, migrated and continued his work....In short, what he brought, he proved by work for that era, he prophesied for Prophet of Islam, it proved and he came. So we can say Jesus was true Prophet of God. No need to doubt.

Likewise is my case for Ahmadiyya-Muslim-Promised-Messiah-Mahdi. His teaching, miracles, prayers, revelations, understanding of Quran, Prophet of Islam and Allah -- all is working fully.

It is just like, after having seen Sun and Moon, how can one doubt?
It is not a debate of close-mindedness or open-mindedness IMHO.

 

[leibowde84]

Respectfully disagree.
If theory works in practice, it is The Truth, even in worldly matter too.
Plz just consider your religion, Jesus stood for reforms, he knew he was from God, he stood on cross [not for others sins] but he knew he would survive, he did by Pilate's designs and was taken for healing, migrated and continued his work....In short, what he brought, he proved by work for that era, he prophesied for Prophet of Islam, it proved and he came. So we can say Jesus was true Prophet of God. No need to doubt.

Likewise is my case for Ahmadiyya-Muslim-Promised-Messiah-Mahdi. His teaching, miracles, prayers, revelations, understanding of Quran, Prophet of Islam and Allah -- all is working fully.

It is just like, after having seen Sun and Moon, how can one doubt?
It is not a debate of close-mindedness or open-mindedness IMHO.

So, you do not think that Jesus died on the cross? What evidence, beyond scripture of course, do you have to back up that claim?

 

[leibowde84]

I believe that my faith is true. That's good enough for me. In my faith, faith is what's important. I don't think it's arrogant to say "I believe my faith is true" at all. No one would follow a faith if he or she didn't believe it. I don't even think that first answer is arrogant, since the statement does indeed say "I'll never change to disbelieve my religion" and it's not saying anything about anyone else believing in it.

I agree. I do not think it is arrogant to THINK that one's faith is true. The term "think" requires that the faith, however, might possibly be wrong. I am only against those that claim to KNOW that their beliefs are true, and further claim that no evidence in the world would ever convince them otherwise. To me, that is the very definition of close-mindedness.

 

[DawudTalut]

So, you do not think that Jesus died on the cross? What evidence, beyond scripture of course, do you have to back up that claim?

Historical and medical records
@
Al Islam - Jesus in India
and more material @
Jesus in India | Tomb of Jesus | Where Did Jesus Die | Jesus in Islam - Al Islam Online

 

[Dhyana]

I don't believe in belief. Beliefs are just concepts which hide the truth. Truth is not conceptual. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it. Note: contradiction intentional

 

[leibowde84]

Historical and medical records
@
Al Islam - Jesus in India
and more material @
Jesus in India | Tomb of Jesus | Where Did Jesus Die | Jesus in Islam - Al Islam Online

Those myths have been debunked for the most part, as most ended up being fabricated. Further, these are both Islamic sources, with an obvious bias to validate this story. Do you have any secular sources (unbiased sources) that claim this based on the available evidence?

 

[leibowde84]

Historical and medical records
@
Al Islam - Jesus in India
and more material @
Jesus in India | Tomb of Jesus | Where Did Jesus Die | Jesus in Islam - Al Islam Online

Did Jesus Visit Tibet? Sorry, Not Very Likely…

 

[DawudTalut]

Did Jesus Visit Tibet? Sorry, Not Very Likely…

Sorry, more than likely:

"The fact that Christian teaching and ritual have deeply affected Tibetan Buddhism necessitates the belief that Jesus must have visited the Tibetan people. Moreover, the fact that the zealous followers of Buddhism, as stated in Buddhistic records, had always expected to meet him, cries aloud that this ardent desire of theirs heralded his visit to this country. In the face of both these facts, an impartial person has no need to search through Buddhistic records for the statement that Jesus did come to Tibet. For, according to the prophecy of the Buddha, the desire for the Buddha's second advent being strong, the prophecy itself must have attracted Jesus to Tibet. It must be noted that the word 'Metteyya' mentioned frequently in Buddhistic books is undoubtedly the word 'Messiah'. "

Jesus in India

I think, I need to remind myself and you too, we may be drifting off.

 

[YmirGF]

(1a) Can you swear that - you're affirm that your religion is truth, and will never change to disbelieve it?

(1b) Can you swear that - you'll believe and follow your religion all your life, the chances of you leaving your religion is 0.00% ?

(1c) Can you swear that - the possibilities of your religion being a wrong religion, the chance of it is 0.00% ?

(2) If people can swear that they'll never disbelieve their religion, then why some of them preach to each other and advice each other to convert to each other's different religion?

(3) Is question (1a) meaningless and shouldn't be ask in the first place? Why?

Edit: Add two similar questions (1b) and (1c) and a new question (2). A question have also edited to become question (3).

I can't vote since I do not follow any religion. I can say however that I've gone a bit too far to seriously considering any of the current offerings on the world stage. So, no I would never convert to any religion currently available on the planet.

 

[leibowde84]

Sorry, more than likely:

"The fact that Christian teaching and ritual have deeply affected Tibetan Buddhism necessitates the belief that Jesus must have visited the Tibetan people. Moreover, the fact that the zealous followers of Buddhism, as stated in Buddhistic records, had always expected to meet him, cries aloud that this ardent desire of theirs heralded his visit to this country. In the face of both these facts, an impartial person has no need to search through Buddhistic records for the statement that Jesus did come to Tibet. For, according to the prophecy of the Buddha, the desire for the Buddha's second advent being strong, the prophecy itself must have attracted Jesus to Tibet. It must be noted that the word 'Metteyya' mentioned frequently in Buddhistic books is undoubtedly the word 'Messiah'. "

Jesus in India

I think, I need to remind myself and you too, we may be drifting off.

That would only be relevant if Jesus preached AFTER GOING TO TIBET. The Gospels are accounts from before the Crucifixion, and your claim was that Jesus went to Tibet after the Crucifixion, unless I am misunderstanding you. So, the above is irrelevant, unless you think that Jesus went to Tibet before beginning his preaching. Plus, if he was a prophet, he didn't need to borrow ideas from any other religion, as he had direct communication with God, right?

 

[leibowde84]

Sorry, more than likely:

"The fact that Christian teaching and ritual have deeply affected Tibetan Buddhism necessitates the belief that Jesus must have visited the Tibetan people. Moreover, the fact that the zealous followers of Buddhism, as stated in Buddhistic records, had always expected to meet him, cries aloud that this ardent desire of theirs heralded his visit to this country. In the face of both these facts, an impartial person has no need to search through Buddhistic records for the statement that Jesus did come to Tibet. For, according to the prophecy of the Buddha, the desire for the Buddha's second advent being strong, the prophecy itself must have attracted Jesus to Tibet. It must be noted that the word 'Metteyya' mentioned frequently in Buddhistic books is undoubtedly the word 'Messiah'. "

Jesus in India

I think, I need to remind myself and you too, we may be drifting off.

You are right about drifting off. Wanna start a private chat. This is very interesting to me. I read a book (fiction) about Jesus' adolescent years that claimed he went all over the East learning different philosophies before beginning his preaching. While it is a nice story, hilarious as well, it seems to be a bit far-fetched according to the available sources that we have. Tibet was included in the trip though.

 

[Katzpur]

(1a) Can you swear that - you're affirm that your religion is truth, and will never change to disbelieve it?

(1b) Can you swear that - you'll believe and follow your religion all your life, the chances of you leaving your religion is 0.00% ?

(1c) Can you swear that - the possibilities of your religion being a wrong religion, the chance of it is 0.00% ?

(2) If people can swear that they'll never disbelieve their religion, then why some of them preach to each other and advice each other to convert to each other's different religion?

(3) Is question (1a) meaningless and shouldn't be ask in the first place? Why?

Edit: Add two similar questions (1b) and (1c) and a new question (2). A question have also edited to become question (3).

I try to never use the words "never" or "always." (Maybe this is because of my career in software development. I always figured that there pretty much had to be an exception to every rule. ) I would, however, say at this point in my life that the chances of my ever coming to actively disbelieve the core doctrines of Mormonism are pretty remote.