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Rev 17:7 I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her
I believe that is a future Babylon that sits on the Beast although it may be approximated currently.
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Can you Unravel the Mystery?
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Rev 17:7 I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her
I believe that is a future Babylon that sits on the Beast although it may be approximated currently.
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nPeace
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The city of Jerusalem has a kingdom over the kings of the earth?
When did Jerusalem ever rule Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media Persia, Rome, and the 7th and 8th world power?
Revelation 17:9-12
9 The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. 12 “The ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
How does the city of Jerusalem ride these kingdoms?
nPeace
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What do you think?
A city serves a few important purposes - refuge, security, ...
However, these purposes can be achieved without a city. A city comes about by development, or expansion.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”.
here again is the mind of wisdom that is needed to understand what the angel is showing John in this vision, John is shown the history of five kingdom upon the earth, and one presently reigning. “FIVE ARE FALLEN”. the five that are fallen are, Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Medo-Persia, and Greece, and the one that is, the sixth, in John’s day is the ROMAN EMPIRE. but John is given more information which again takes the wisdom, and the mind of Christ to reveal it. note: John saw and wrote, “and the other is not yet come”. but is there not yet two more Kings to come? yes, according verse 11 below. so why do John refers to the seventh and the eighth as “the other?”, when it's two? again the wisdom and the mind of God is needed to understand this. John was given more information about the seventh King,”he must continue a short space”.
revelation time, Jesus the Son of Man the eighth King, which is of the seventh, Jesus the Son of God. this is he who is “born” KING of the Jews.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, all is past kingdom starting with Egypt up to the one at that time, "one is", which is the Roman empire. so who is the eighth King, answer the Lord Jesus. he is the Seventh King in NATURAL Flesh, see Matthews chapter 2. he must continue a short space", three and 1/2 years. and be cut off as Daniel said. but here is the revelation.
1. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is
2. the other is not yet come, (the other?, The G243 allos the Holy Spirit, God in resurrected, GLORIFIED flesh).
3. and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 3 1/2 years.
4. verse 10, And the beast that was, and is not (no more gentile rule, but Spiritual of them in Christ Jesus) .
5. even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, "of" the seventh?, yes where the seventh was cut off, now is risen, and there is no more, for he is the eighth, and his KINGDOM is an "EVERLASTING ONE. so verses 10 an 11 with the mind of God, should read now for our UNDERSSANDING, "10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 the other is not yet come; even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, And the beast that was, and is not, and goeth into perdition. the key words here is "other" to come, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" other in revelation is the same word for "another" to Identify the RISEN CHRIST/Messiah as the comforter". (for which he is).
understand, the King of the 1st thru the 6th was Sons of perdition (corruption). but the seventh,the Son of God, and the eighth, who is of the seventh, the Son of Man, is of God, (non corruption).
I will make another post for verse 11.
101G.
these next two verse go in sequence to reveal the 7th. and 8th. king and his kingdom.
Revelation 17:10 "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”.
here again is the mind of wisdom that is needed to understand what the angel is showing John in this vision, John is shown the history of five kingdom upon the earth, and one presently reigning. “FIVE ARE FALLEN”. the five that are fallen are, Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Medo-Persia, and Greece, and the one that is, the sixth, in John’s day is the ROMAN EMPIRE. but John is given more information which again takes the wisdom, and the mind of Christ to reveal it. note: John saw and wrote, “and the other is not yet come”. but is there not yet two more Kings to come? yes, according verse 11 below. so why do John refers to the seventh and the eighth as “the other?”, when it's two? again the wisdom and the mind of God is needed to understand this. John was given more information about the seventh King,”he must continue a short space”.
revelation time, Jesus the Son of Man the eighth King, which is of the seventh, Jesus the Son of God. this is he who is “born” KING of the Jews.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, all is past kingdom starting with Egypt up to the one at that time, "one is", which is the Roman empire. so who is the eighth King, answer the Lord Jesus. he is the Seventh King in NATURAL Flesh, see Matthews chapter 2. he must continue a short space", three and 1/2 years. and be cut off as Daniel said. but here is the revelation.
1. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is
2. the other is not yet come, (the other?, The G243 allos the Holy Spirit, God in resurrected, GLORIFIED flesh).
3. and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 3 1/2 years.
4. verse 10, And the beast that was, and is not (no more gentile rule, but Spiritual of them in Christ Jesus) .
5. even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, "of" the seventh?, yes where the seventh was cut off, now is risen, and there is no more, for he is the eighth, and his KINGDOM is an "EVERLASTING ONE. so verses 10 an 11 with the mind of God, should read now for our UNDERSSANDING, "10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 the other is not yet come; even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, And the beast that was, and is not, and goeth into perdition. the key words here is "other" to come, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever" other in revelation is the same word for "another" to Identify the RISEN CHRIST/Messiah as the comforter". (for which he is).
understand, the King of the 1st thru the 6th was Sons of perdition (corruption). but the seventh,the Son of God, and the eighth, who is of the seventh, the Son of Man, is of God, (non corruption).
I will make another post for verse 11.
101G.
101G
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Revelation 17:11 "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition”.
in verse 9 it said, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom”. in our English grammar, which if we read the verse here as is, it does not clearly reveal what is spoken, so we will reveal it to you in a way so that you can clearly understand. this is what I call embedded revelation. let's look at the entire scripture and learn.
the verse said, ”And the beast that was, and is not,” but the middle of the verse is the embedded wisdom, “even he is the eighth, and is of the seven” we will color code this blue for future reference, and now the last part of the scripture, “and goeth into perdition”. lets make it clear. a King was born in the mist of the beast, in the land of Israel. that was and is not because the Roman empire now at that time ruled. but because of this seventh King, he overcomes the beast, and this kingdom. now we will give you the answer, and show it to you plainly as who is this eighth and of the seven, King. the seventh King that was born in the mist of Israel where the beast reside while the Roman empire rule, is none other than the Lord Jesus the Christ himself. who was “BORN KING”, according to the flesh. see Matthews Chapter 2: verses 1-12.
verse 10 above said, ”and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”, which he did because he was cut off, crucified in the flesh. but he rose the third day resurrected, and glorified. the resurrected glorified Christ is the eighth King, eternal, immortal, and his KINGDOM IS ETERNAL, NO END. lets see it clearly.
going back to our verse here, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition”. lets see how, by wisdom we get the understanding of this King. first, by taking the scriptures apart one can clearly see the seventh and eighth King. as said watch the blue section . "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition”. if one take this blue section out then the scriptures reads as this, ,"And the beast that was, and is not, and goeth into perdition”. this is what happens to the beast, but the revelation is this, place the blue section back in but at the end, and it reads as follows, "And the beast that was, and is not, and goeth into perdition, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven”. see it now. “he” the King that was born. how do we know this? because the scripture states, “OF” the seven. which might make one think, is he Jesus, one of the seven heads? NO, the Lord Jesus is “OF” the tribe of Juda in the Land of Israel where the beast reside, he came out of JUDA, from the remnant of the nation called Israel, where the beast reside, (which tried to kill him as a babe, again see matthews chapter 2, it's the Road map to chapter 12). for no Kingdom can have two Kings. supportive scripture, Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood”. so no, our Lord did not “come from” Juda, but “out OF” Juda. meaning out of the nation, of Israel, where the beast reside. for he was “BORN KING”, meaning he's the seventh King, according to the NATURAL flesh of men. this is the reason why the wise men came to worship the new Born KING. as King he is the seventh, and why states of, because of his cutting off or his crucifixion, he now is risen and live a NEW LIFE by the Spirit, the New eternal Life in “flesh and Bones”, (hence he's the eighth of the seven, (same Person, just risen from the DEAD) who was King and was Killed, (while in flesh). and having the same flesh and bones, (which did not see corruption) he is of, of, of, the seventh King, because his flesh and bones that was resurrected is now glorified. for he was the seven, in succession, the seventh King. five has fallen and one is, he is that seven, showing completeness in the flesh, the son of David, (THE NEW MAN).
when I first showed this many years ago, some accused me of changing the scriptures, they said, I added or either I took away from the scriptures. NO, it was just show how to understand the verse, that’s all. for nothing was taken away, nor added, just arranged to show the true meaning, all of the scripture is still there, nothing is changed. as the angels said, “and here is the mind which hath wisdom”.
the eighth King has been a mystery to a many of people for a a long time, but the word of God reveals it. as the scripture states, the eighth is of the seven, (the same person... as the Lord Jesus said, "was Dead now ALIVED", for it was the remnant that he came out “of”. he is the first stone in the building of this NEW EVERLASTING KINGDOM, (go back to Isaiah 9:6 the EVERLASTING FATHER. and the very next verse, Isaiah 9:7 "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." to which the Harlot rejected. that's why he's the EIGHTH KING, his rejection of the Jews, and his crucifixion, open the way for this SPIRITUAL KINGDOM TO BE ESTABLISH. and he’s been adding to that foundation ever since after his resurrection. so when he finish, the wedding supper will commence.
now to prove that he is the eighth King, lets go back to the book of Genesis. this is going to surprise many, but some may know it. question, how many day are there in a week?. Genesis Chapter 17 starting at verse 10 " This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed (NOTICE SEED, AND NOT SEEDS AS IN MANY), after thee; (Notice seed). Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". Eight in the Bible is symbolic for Covenant. watch, "circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed”.
Abraham got the promise by faith, before he was circumcise, and circumcision is the token or sign of that FAITH. so the promise came by FAITH, and not of works. and to make that promise available to all, (because he is the father of many nations), it is by FAITH in God, who was manifested in the likeness of that sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh so that we can be made the righteousness of God. for if one who have died to the flesh, sin no more. this same life is also promise to the gentiles in Christ. to assure of the seed that is to come, that Gentile seed, that's the stranger that comes under your roof Abraham. scripture. "of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". even he must be circumcise on the EIGHTH day. understand, our covenant is an eight day covenant, that's the NEW DAY COVENANT and that comes by circumcision of the heart/spirit and not of the flesh. this is why the Christian assemble on what WE CALL the FIRST DAY of the week, because it is the EIGHTH DAY of COVENANT.
God didn't name any day he numbered them. and his day with us as a covenant people is the EIGHTH DAY.
lets see this EIGHTH KING in the eighth day as Abraham was circumcise and was told to circumcise any and all on what day?. the "EIGHT" day. when was JESUS circumcise? scripture Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb". Glory to God. now one can see why many gather on the eighth day which follows the seventh day. (but that’s another whole topic by itself).
but the question arises, Jesus was circumcise in flesh so why not us? good question, for he was born under the Law to to fulfill it, which he did. and once fulfilled, he died to the flesh and was resurrected IN THE SPIRIT. listen, 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more”. (BINGO). now only the Heart is circumcised as was told long ago. Deuteronomy 10:15 "Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day." Deuteronomy 10:16 "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.". our Spiritual covenant is "THE EIGHT DAY COVENANT", in Spirith and in TRUTH, that's how we worship God. in his Kingdom, in Spirit and in TRUTH. Romans 2:28, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God".
101G.
in verse 9 it said, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom”. in our English grammar, which if we read the verse here as is, it does not clearly reveal what is spoken, so we will reveal it to you in a way so that you can clearly understand. this is what I call embedded revelation. let's look at the entire scripture and learn.
the verse said, ”And the beast that was, and is not,” but the middle of the verse is the embedded wisdom, “even he is the eighth, and is of the seven” we will color code this blue for future reference, and now the last part of the scripture, “and goeth into perdition”. lets make it clear. a King was born in the mist of the beast, in the land of Israel. that was and is not because the Roman empire now at that time ruled. but because of this seventh King, he overcomes the beast, and this kingdom. now we will give you the answer, and show it to you plainly as who is this eighth and of the seven, King. the seventh King that was born in the mist of Israel where the beast reside while the Roman empire rule, is none other than the Lord Jesus the Christ himself. who was “BORN KING”, according to the flesh. see Matthews Chapter 2: verses 1-12.
verse 10 above said, ”and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”, which he did because he was cut off, crucified in the flesh. but he rose the third day resurrected, and glorified. the resurrected glorified Christ is the eighth King, eternal, immortal, and his KINGDOM IS ETERNAL, NO END. lets see it clearly.
going back to our verse here, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition”. lets see how, by wisdom we get the understanding of this King. first, by taking the scriptures apart one can clearly see the seventh and eighth King. as said watch the blue section . "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition”. if one take this blue section out then the scriptures reads as this, ,"And the beast that was, and is not, and goeth into perdition”. this is what happens to the beast, but the revelation is this, place the blue section back in but at the end, and it reads as follows, "And the beast that was, and is not, and goeth into perdition, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven”. see it now. “he” the King that was born. how do we know this? because the scripture states, “OF” the seven. which might make one think, is he Jesus, one of the seven heads? NO, the Lord Jesus is “OF” the tribe of Juda in the Land of Israel where the beast reside, he came out of JUDA, from the remnant of the nation called Israel, where the beast reside, (which tried to kill him as a babe, again see matthews chapter 2, it's the Road map to chapter 12). for no Kingdom can have two Kings. supportive scripture, Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood”. so no, our Lord did not “come from” Juda, but “out OF” Juda. meaning out of the nation, of Israel, where the beast reside. for he was “BORN KING”, meaning he's the seventh King, according to the NATURAL flesh of men. this is the reason why the wise men came to worship the new Born KING. as King he is the seventh, and why states of, because of his cutting off or his crucifixion, he now is risen and live a NEW LIFE by the Spirit, the New eternal Life in “flesh and Bones”, (hence he's the eighth of the seven, (same Person, just risen from the DEAD) who was King and was Killed, (while in flesh). and having the same flesh and bones, (which did not see corruption) he is of, of, of, the seventh King, because his flesh and bones that was resurrected is now glorified. for he was the seven, in succession, the seventh King. five has fallen and one is, he is that seven, showing completeness in the flesh, the son of David, (THE NEW MAN).
when I first showed this many years ago, some accused me of changing the scriptures, they said, I added or either I took away from the scriptures. NO, it was just show how to understand the verse, that’s all. for nothing was taken away, nor added, just arranged to show the true meaning, all of the scripture is still there, nothing is changed. as the angels said, “and here is the mind which hath wisdom”.
the eighth King has been a mystery to a many of people for a a long time, but the word of God reveals it. as the scripture states, the eighth is of the seven, (the same person... as the Lord Jesus said, "was Dead now ALIVED", for it was the remnant that he came out “of”. he is the first stone in the building of this NEW EVERLASTING KINGDOM, (go back to Isaiah 9:6 the EVERLASTING FATHER. and the very next verse, Isaiah 9:7 "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." to which the Harlot rejected. that's why he's the EIGHTH KING, his rejection of the Jews, and his crucifixion, open the way for this SPIRITUAL KINGDOM TO BE ESTABLISH. and he’s been adding to that foundation ever since after his resurrection. so when he finish, the wedding supper will commence.
now to prove that he is the eighth King, lets go back to the book of Genesis. this is going to surprise many, but some may know it. question, how many day are there in a week?. Genesis Chapter 17 starting at verse 10 " This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed (NOTICE SEED, AND NOT SEEDS AS IN MANY), after thee; (Notice seed). Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". Eight in the Bible is symbolic for Covenant. watch, "circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed”.
Abraham got the promise by faith, before he was circumcise, and circumcision is the token or sign of that FAITH. so the promise came by FAITH, and not of works. and to make that promise available to all, (because he is the father of many nations), it is by FAITH in God, who was manifested in the likeness of that sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh so that we can be made the righteousness of God. for if one who have died to the flesh, sin no more. this same life is also promise to the gentiles in Christ. to assure of the seed that is to come, that Gentile seed, that's the stranger that comes under your roof Abraham. scripture. "of any stranger, which is not of thy seed". even he must be circumcise on the EIGHTH day. understand, our covenant is an eight day covenant, that's the NEW DAY COVENANT and that comes by circumcision of the heart/spirit and not of the flesh. this is why the Christian assemble on what WE CALL the FIRST DAY of the week, because it is the EIGHTH DAY of COVENANT.
God didn't name any day he numbered them. and his day with us as a covenant people is the EIGHTH DAY.
lets see this EIGHTH KING in the eighth day as Abraham was circumcise and was told to circumcise any and all on what day?. the "EIGHT" day. when was JESUS circumcise? scripture Luke 2:21 "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb". Glory to God. now one can see why many gather on the eighth day which follows the seventh day. (but that’s another whole topic by itself).
but the question arises, Jesus was circumcise in flesh so why not us? good question, for he was born under the Law to to fulfill it, which he did. and once fulfilled, he died to the flesh and was resurrected IN THE SPIRIT. listen, 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more”. (BINGO). now only the Heart is circumcised as was told long ago. Deuteronomy 10:15 "Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day." Deuteronomy 10:16 "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.". our Spiritual covenant is "THE EIGHT DAY COVENANT", in Spirith and in TRUTH, that's how we worship God. in his Kingdom, in Spirit and in TRUTH. Romans 2:28, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God".
101G.
nPeace
Veteran Member
First. You have not addressed the first problem.
The city of Jerusalem has a kingdom over the kings of the earth??????????
When did Jerusalem ever rule Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media Persia, Rome, and the 7th and 8th world power?????????
I forgot Greece. Thanks.
Second. It's not consistent to identify the first six powers as all political or governmental entities, and then change the last of the two, to something completely different.
It's all one beast. The parts are the same element - kings.
Glorified flesh?
Even Grover on Sesame Street, would say.... 'Come on.'
No match there.
101G
Well-Known Member
they are ruling now, politically, LOL, LOL, LOL. and religiously. lol, lol, lol, Oh dear.First. You have not addressed the first problem.
The city of Jerusalem has a kingdom over the kings of the earth??????????
well tell Grover on Sesame Street to read, John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."Second. It's not consistent to identify the first six powers as all political or governmental entities, and then change the last of the two, to something completely different.
It's all one beast. The parts are the same element - kings.
Glorified flesh?
Even Grover on Sesame Street, would say.... 'Come on.'
now what was that? ....... )Smile)
101G.
nPeace
Veteran Member
They are?
Hmm. How is it, no one knows that but, perhaps you.
Note:
(Revelation 17:3) And he carried me away in the power of the spirit into a wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns.
So how is the city of Jerusalem sitting on the kings from Egypt through to the dominant world power, today?
Also, how does she commit adultery with them? ...and how has the city of Jerusalem made earth's inhabitants drunk?
Revelation 17:2
Grover wants to know, what he is looking for, when he reads John 17:5. In other words, whats the connection?
She would be the mystery religion of Babylon, who worshipped pagan gods. Her daughters will worship the same gods, but with different names. The beast, or the 7 heads, are kings/kingdoms, through whom the "dragon"/devil issued authority. The "beast"/king of the time of the writing of the book of Revelation, would be Caesar of Rome, and the daughter of Babylon, who sat on Rome, was the Roman Catholic church, the mother of the Protestant churches, and the "dragon"/devil, being the god of Constantine, Sol Invictus, whose day is Sunday. The "mark of the beast (Constantine) with two horns like a lamb" would be to follow the decrees of Constantine, which is to keep Sunday as the day of rest (321 A.D.) and to follow the "abomination" of having 3 gods, instead of one, per his convened Council of Nicaea (325 A.D.).
The "harlot" with respect to Revelation 17:16, is but one of the "daughters of Babylon", and she would be with respect to the Jews, who were made "desolate" by the beasts, such as Babylon, Greece, and Rome, and in the end, by the 10 horns of the 8th head of the beast, which is the beast that "was", Julius Caesar, in the form of the leader of the 3rd Roman empire (Reich), Hitler, and others, such as Putin, the current Kaiser/Caesar, who is persecuting the poor little Jew in Ukraine. .
nPeace
Veteran Member
Good that you see her as a religious entity.
It makes sense, she has the name Babylon the Great, because her teachings stem from Babylon.
After all, most of religion's teachings are modified versions of Babylon's, which was steeped in false worship... and it is Babylon that Nimrud - described as a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah - erected. Genesis 10:8-10
...and different teachings... but basically the same.
Agreed. That's scripture.
One of the 7 horns represents the Roman Empire, and sure enough, Caesar was in opposition to God's people, during his reign.
A daughter of the harlot is the Roman Catholic church?
You'll get no arguments from me there.
The Bible describes Babylon the Great, as "the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” (Revelation 17:5) So she has daughter harlots.
Could you point out where we can find in scripture that the harlot - Babylon the Great - has a mother, or is one of many daughters? Or were you referring to one of Babylon the Great's daughters?
Good that you see her as a religious entity.
It makes sense, she has the name Babylon the Great, because her teachings stem from Babylon.
After all, most of religion's teachings are modified versions of Babylon's, which was steeped in false worship... and it is Babylon that Nimrud - described as a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah - erected. Genesis 10:8-10
...and different teachings... but basically the same.
Agreed. That's scripture.
One of the 7 horns represents the Roman Empire, and sure enough, Caesar was in opposition to God's people, during his reign.
A daughter of the harlot is the Roman Catholic church?
You'll get no arguments from me there.
So she has daughter harlots.
Could you point out where we can find in scripture that the harlot - Babylon the Great - has a mother, or is one of many daughters? Or were you referring to one of Babylon the Great's daughters?
The "harlot", in question, the Jews, had a mother called Babylon the Great, whose religion stems from Nimrod of Babel, and his god Bel, a sun god (Ezekiel 8:16), the same sun god the Jews took up, who was taken up later by the Romans by way of Sol Invictus, the god of Constantine. When the Jews were carted off to Babylon, many took up the gods of Babylon. Not that "Bel", the "dragon" doesn't exist, but that the Jews were told "thou shalt not have other gods before me". The "nations"/Gentiles can return to their gods, such as the Greeks can return to their "prince" (Daniel 10:20), but the same can't be said of the "sons of Israel" who must "seek the LORD (YHWH) their God" (Hosea 3:5). After the "day of distress" (Jeremiah 16:19) the "nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, 'our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood' ". False hood and deception being the core of the "covenant of death" held by the many (Isaiah 28:15-18).
101G
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read your bible with the Holy Spirit..... common sense is only needed.
listen, someone can rob a bank and never set foot in it.... (smile). Oh the unwise.
that's what's wrong with many today, they see but yet is stilled deceived.
101G
101G
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NOTE the keyword, "GREAT CITY"
Revelation 14:8 "And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."
Revelation 16:19 "And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."
Revelation 17:18 "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."
Revelation 18:10 "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."
Revelation 18:16 "And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"
Revelation 18:19 "And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate."
Revelation 18:21 "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."
NOW, WHO IS THAT "GREAT CITY?" ANSWER, Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." hello?.
101G.
nPeace
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No. The harlot is Babylon the Great.
Which Bible are you looking at... Or are you talking about another harlot?
If the latter, we would be talking about two different things... which would mean we aren't conversing.
The thread is on Babylon the Great - the harlot described in Revelation 17.
What harlot are you talking about?
nPeace
Veteran Member
Thank you.
Sounds like you are saying, you cannot explain anything from the Bible. So you need to resort to feinting superior wisdom.
In such a case, would it not be advisable to try and break free from that grip that binds one. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
...and common sense often amounts to nothing more than this.
I will admit that your version of Revelation 17:5 may be different, but the most commonly used version states that the harlots are the daughters of Babylon the Great. You will have to remind me what version you use and what does it actually say. All the religions of the beasts are pagan sun worshippers, and daughters of Babylon the Great. Even the Incas worshipped the sun and cut out hearts of people to supposedly provide the energy needed to keep the sun on its round the world course, and of course to scare the h*ll out of their enemies. I am talking about the daughters who worshipped the sun, as did the Jews per Ezekiel 8:16.
King James Bible Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
New King James Version Ezekiel 8:16
So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD’s house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Okay, thank you.
So now I understand how you arrived at Babylon the Great being the city of Jerusalem.
This is appreciated. Connecting the scriptures. Thank you.
You haven't explained how the city of Jerusalem rides the world powers, but if you can't that's okay... or maybe you did, and I am too blind to see.
In any case, that great city apparently signifies more than the city of Jerusalem, simply due to the facts afore mentioned.
Hence why you evidently cannot explain.
If you did explain, pardon my blindness, please.
Can you patiently help the blind, or does love not go that far? Or maybe you judge me as a blind Pharisee... too far gone?
nPeace
Veteran Member
Yes, I did agree with you on that.
The harlot of Revelation 17, does have many daughters, and these are the hundreds or thousands of different individual false religions, but I was asking about the identity of the mother harlot - Babylon the Great.
That's the question of the OP.
I agree with most of what you said, but we are not discussing the daughter harlots.
Perhaps you are saying the mother harlot represents all the daughter harlots combined? In that case, all false religion?