Canadian tribunal fines $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

[Revoltingest]

If it is, then it's the first mental illness that's been catered to and accommodated as far as I can tell.

Back in the day, when I had employees, I recall that alcoholism was
a protected group. The law was messy, with such protection being
in conflict between case law & statutes though. It was tricky when
interviewing employees because I needed to know what kind of risk
they posed to my tenants.

 

[blü 2]

Canadian tribunal fines Bill Whatcott $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

He's that unpleasant self-important dingbat who hates gays, isn't he? And women's right to choice, I think.

What's so special about Bill that he have should have the right to break the laws of Canada in Canada?

Come to think of it, what's Christian about intolerance?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Canadian tribunal fines Bill Whatcott $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

Canadian tribunal fines Bill Whatcott $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

I read that is CA you can go to jail for misgendering. But who knows if any of this is real. Sounds unbelievable that you are forced to believe a man with a penis is a woman. But when dems are in charge, nothing is beyond belief nowadays.

The reps ****ed up and only have themselves to blame. Reps tried to 'go along to get along' with the mental illness agenda of the filthy dems. Reps should have beat the filthy dems to a pulp EVERY time the filthy dems tried to brainwash the America with their genderqueer agenda.

Now, I'm not against queers or trans people. But call em what they are, not make them as normal as apple pie...which make normal people freaks.

It's a bit of a contradiction... in the defense of a variety of views coming down hard one a view... particularly a sincerely held Biblical view

see The Dominion of Canada
Canada’s official motto “A Mari usque ad Mare” meaning “From sea to sea” is based on Psalms 72:8, “He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.” The first official use of this motto came in 1906 when it was engraved on the head of the mace of the Legislative Assembly of the new Province of Saskatchewan. The wording of the motto came to the attention of Sir Joseph Pope, then Under Secretary of State, who was impressed with its meaning. He later proposed it as motto for the new design of the coat of arms, which was approved by Order in Council on April 21, 1921 and by Royal Proclamation on November 21, 1921.

ironic?

 

[Sky Rivers]

Who's saying it's healthy?

"Treated as any other mental illness"? That would be "not used as a political wedge issue, with sufferers of the condition given the support they need to have the best long term outcomes and not being pilloried and demonised"?

I don't agree with identity politics and I affirm that those suffering from gender dysphoria should receive the best possible treatment and support. In this treatment, I don't include body mutilation. Furthermore, I also don't include puberty blocking or "gender reassignment" substances.

 

[blü 2]

It's a bit of a contradiction... in the defense of a variety of views coming down hard one a view... particularly a sincerely held Biblical view

So you'd be happy for Christians to champion what used to be one of their favorites, Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live?

You see no problem with advocating to bring back slavery? Slave-owners were fond of quoting the bible because it was so specifically, frequently and enthusiastically on their side. Even Paul (Jesus doesn't mention it).

And you remember Why Can't I Own a Canadian?, of course, which seems particularly topical here.

Just because it's in the bible doesn't mean it's a good idea. There you can find support for invasive war and land grabs, the massacre and/or enslavement of entire populations, the mass rape of women, for human sacrifice, polygamy, religious intolerance (in spades redoubled), the death penalty for disrespecting your parents, for cutting your beard, on and on.

And although nearly all of that (the human sacrifice of Jesus is a major exception) is from the Tanakh, the Jesus of Matthew (5:18) and the Jesus of Luke (16:17) say that the Law will not be altered even in the smallest degree till the Kingdom is established.

So Christians like Bill should either advocate for the lot, insist that their country, Canada or whatever, follow the Law on those points; or else they should stop cherrypicking simply to justify their personal homophobia.

 

[Liu]

I don't agree with identity politics and I affirm that those suffering from gender dysphoria should receive the best possible treatment and support. In this treatment, I don't include body mutilation. Furthermore, I also don't include puberty blocking or "gender reassignment" substances.

Why not? I got that treatment (hormones and breast removal) and I'm feeling great and am very glad this was possible.
I don't know of any alternative treatment that would help as much.

About puberty blockers I'm not sure, I don't think at that age one can properly decide such matters. Although I would have very much preferred to have been spared the experience of growing boobs, I don't have the impression that before that I had had enough signs of disphoria to diagnose myself as being transgender even if I had already known what that is at that age.

Still, I don't think putting a fine on expressing opinions, even if bigoted ones, is a good strategy. It certainly won't contribute much to changing those people's opinions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now, I'm not against queers or trans people.

Oh bull **** you aren't!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I accept that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. However, I affirm also that “transgendered” individuals are people and not to be dehumanized through their illness. I also affirm that gender dysphoria should be treated as any other mental illness and not taught as healthy.

It is treated.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's the declassification of it being a mental illness

It hasn't been declassified as a mental illness.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If it is, then it's the first mental illness that's been catered to and accommodated as far as I can tell.

FMLA, ADA, I don't know what you're getting at other than looking bad at trying to be a jerk. And take a look. There are TONS of accommodations for people of various illnesses and ability all over the place. Things like bipolar disorder, yes, it's "accommodated and catered" to when someone needs medical leave.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't agree with identity politics and I affirm that those suffering from gender dysphoria should receive the best possible treatment and support. In this treatment, I don't include body mutilation. Furthermore, I also don't include puberty blocking or "gender reassignment" substances.

The best possible treatment and support we have found is medically assisted transitioning. Other methods have failed. Go back a few decades and transitioning was rare, and things never got better for those with gender dysphoria.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If it is, then it's the first mental illness that's been catered to and accommodated as far as I can tell.

Misleading weighted terms are misleading and weighted. It's no more "catered to" than any other mental illness. Giving people with mental health issues the support and assistance that has shown the best long term outcomes for them isn't bad or wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Misleading weighted terms are misleading and weighted. It's no more "catered to" than any other mental illness.

At times I wish people would quit pretending they have knowledge of a field where obviously they have none. And it's like people keep forgetting there is at least one person who takes an interest in such threads who can spot this ignorance from a mile away due to have schooling and experience in the field. For example, Sky mentioning the best treatment possible, which is something everyone wants. However, it's assumed that's just what's done and has been done and it's rarely asked what was tried before that, if anything. Which is at least better than claiming a declassification of something that is still in the current DSM, and stating gender dysphoria somehow gets special treatment. It's not even considered a disabling condition, and it's not likely to be so considering transgender people generally improve in ADL and social functioning after transitioning.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The best possible treatment and support we have found is medically assisted transitioning. Other methods have failed. Go back a few decades and transitioning was rare, and things never got better for those with gender dysphoria.

Dysphoria should be treated like any other mental disorder. If we were discussing bipolar people or schizophrenics no one would be suggesting it was acceptable to use them for political wedging or to hound them out of public spaces or with offensive terms. I have mental health issues stemming from my military service. Can you imagine if the sort of tactics used to minimise and wedge transgender people were used against military veterans? The Usual Suspects would rage-froth in the streets! IMHO, transgender people are treated differently because they are somehow perceived as a threat to the sexual identity of others, as though calling a transperson by his or her preferred terminology somehow makes the condition contagious and you might "catch" it. The level of consciousness involved here is debatable, of course.

To those of us old enough to remember, the kneejerk response to the general idea of "hey, transgender people are a thing, and people and society shouldn't deliberately make their lives harder than necessary" is more or less identical to the kneejerk response of 25ish years ago when "hey, gay people are a thing and people and society shouldn't deliberately make their lives harder than necessary" was becoming a generally mainstream idea. I suggest for similar reasons.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To those of us old enough to remember, the kneejerk response to the general idea of "hey, transgender people are a thing, and people and society shouldn't deliberately make their lives harder than necessary" is more or less identical to the kneejerk response of 25ish years ago when "hey, gay people are a thing and people and society shouldn't deliberately make their lives harder than necessary" was becoming a generally mainstream idea. I suggest for similar reasons.

I'm seeing pretty much the same thing. Too the point I've also noticed that younger LGBT people are often unaware as to why some older ones refer to their significant other as their partner or some other non-descript term and never really say out loud they are gay.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If we were discussing bipolar people or schizophrenics no one would be suggesting it was acceptable to use them for political wedging or to hound them out of public spaces or with offensive terms.

It would be unacceptable when it comes to most other mental illnesses. The "mom" who wrote another parent complaining about her autistic child, it was unacceptable and people would probably have went out for blood if they knew where to look. With transgender people, they way large chunks of society acts you'd think transgender people were lepers.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I don't agree with identity politics

It's nothing to do with identity politics. It's a medical issue.

and I affirm that those suffering from gender dysphoria should receive the best possible treatment and support. In this treatment, I don't include body mutilation. Furthermore, I also don't include puberty blocking or "gender reassignment" substances.

Unless you are a medical professional specialising in the field, your opinion isn't really relevant. Longitudinal medical studies show us what the best possible treatments are. If you want to go against medical advice for yourself, that's your right. Your opinion about the treatment of other people is of no more relevance to them than my opinion on your medical treatment for any given condition.

This seems to be a growing trend in a number of medical areas. Since when did people think their opinion gets to determine the best medical treatment for other people?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This seems to be a growing trend in a number of medical areas. Since when did people think their opinion gets to determine the best medical treatment for other people?

Just like anti-vaccers and the anti-psychotropic med crowds. People really need to cut it out. They aren't doctors, and they are giving potentially destructive and deadly suggestions. At least the JWs don't hold others to their "no blood" policy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think I suddenly feel entitled to tell people how to do their jobs and insist they are doing things wrong when my limited understanding and knowledge of what's going on prevents me from clearly seeing the process.
(It's basically what people do to me when they think the evidence based treatment path I would be expected to follow just is not right and is completely wrong and shouldn't be followed)

 

[We Never Know]

If you want to talk freaks, maybe you should look in the mirror. Transgender people are not freaks, just people, like all of us.

I can agree with this post. But what I'm going to add, some won't like.

I don't want bible thumpers pushing the bible or their way of life on the kids and I don't want LGBT pushing their way of life on the kids either. Live your life and let the kids grow up and live the life they choose. Peer pressure is a huge controlling factor for kids. Let the kids be and let them choose the life they want with out peer pressure.