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Cannibalism in catholic communion?

Some religion skeptics says its hard to understand christianity as a loving religion when catholics got a understanding of their practise as literally eating and drinking Jesus flesh and blood. Some skeptics have taken it so far to call it for a religion thats strongly influenced by paeanistic traditions, and are not that more civilized than other traditions. They mean that this sacrament have many likenesses to cannibalism.

Do someone have thoughts about this? How can we explain the catholic communion in a good manner in meeting with arguments like this?
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
For a Catholic perspective: Is the Eucharist cannibalism?


Yes because communion is as bad, if not worse than human sacrifice practiced by the pre-Columbian Mesoamericans or FGM in African societies :rolleyes:
[/extreme sarcasm]
Wait, I'm confused. How is communion wrong at all? I mean, I could see your point if someone was hurt in the process, but how does their belief in transubstantiation create any kind of evil if no one is hurt to get the "body and blood."
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
Wait, I'm confused. How is communion wrong at all? I mean, I could see your point if someone was hurt in the process, but how does their belief in transubstantiation create any kind of evil if no one is hurt to get the "body and blood."
I am being sarcastic :p
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
Wait, I'm confused. How is communion wrong at all? I mean, I could see your point if someone was hurt in the process, but how does their belief in transubstantiation create any kind of evil if no one is hurt to get the "body and blood."
(That's the point, @leibowde84 - it's sarcasm; note the smiley.)
Ahhem. Anyway. To ask a question on this so I'm not, you know, in violation of the DIR rules.

My Catholic friends, how often does this come up, and what are your best resources on this subject?
 

VitoOFMCap

Member
I don't know how this is a strong skeptic position. Even Voltaire, a harsh critic of the Catholic Church, recognized that the theology of the Eucharist was not related to cannibalism.

Cannibalism is usually done for several reasons. It can be done to remember the dead, to culturally ritualize dominance over an outside group, to gain the physical traits of another. I'm no expert on cannibalism, so I don't know if that's an exhaustive list. But looking at human history, these seem to be the main reasons, other than as a food source. Since the narrative is instituted by the one who is sacrificed, I'm not sure that the Jesus story fits into a Cannibalist ideology.

I have rarely rarely seen this critique with regards to Eucharist.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Good question. This is how it was explained to me before I was confirmed.

Okay. I believe in my ancestors and deceased family members are all spirits as we will become. So my friend, who known me for years says this:

Think of when your grandmother was a live (physically, mind you). Both of you loved to eat cornbread. That was both of your favorite dish (among many). That's what connected you two together was the food you ate. (I also know that food is very important in many cultures; it can sometimes tell the personality of an individual by what they eat and how they cook). So, my grandmother passes and my friend says "your grandmother's spirit is in the food you both ate." So every time I eat cornbread, I am "eating my grandmother" (Cringes) I am taking in her spirit in me as I know she is still alive and its reconnecting me with her by the food we shared with each other.

It's the same thing as Holy Communion. Except, it is the Spirit of Christ that is within the consecrated bread/wine; it has more of a powerful ring tone.
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Other than that, I try to say it cannot be cannibalism because we (hopefully???) do not see Jesus' toes, fingers, hair, and skin when we take the Eucharist. We see the hosts; and, we know it's Jesus.

I can't think of another way to explain it. Good to think about without having to debate it all the time.
Some religion skeptics says its hard to understand christianity as a loving religion when catholics got a understanding of their practise as literally eating and drinking Jesus flesh and blood. Some skeptics have taken it so far to call it for a religion thats strongly influenced by paeanistic traditions, and are not that more civilized than other traditions. They mean that this sacrament have many likenesses to cannibalism.

Do someone have thoughts about this? How can we explain the catholic communion in a good manner in meeting with arguments like this?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Catechism and Bible, really. Normally, I can't get far in the Bible. Most people who debate with me about the Eucharist know more about scripture and context than me. However, what they don't know well is the Church's teachings on the subject without bias from experiences as an ex-catholic or cross referencing what they think Catholics practice with the Bible.

So, I have to correct them and state what the Church teaches. If they agree we can use that as a common foundation for debate (which rarely happens), then we can debate whether it is right or wrong.

The problem is, when talking about the Eucharist, the other party doesn't want to listen to anything outside the Bible. So, it's very hard to share our faith (or our closeness and understanding of it regardless of present belief) when no one wants to look at all the resources that can substantiate either argument.

(That's the point, @leibowde84 - it's sarcasm; note the smiley.)
Ahhem. Anyway. To ask a question on this so I'm not, you know, in violation of the DIR rules.

My Catholic friends, how often does this come up, and what are your best resources on this subject?

I tried using the Encyclicals but they rarely work.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Also, another way to describe it is relating it to the OT. When the Isrealite were starved, God send down Mana (or bread) for the tribes. The bread, the food, was life. It wasn't fast food. It was both a symbolic and literal action and context that God gave life. They had to eat the food in order to receive life (nourishment) with which God gave.

It's the same as the New Testament. Scripture says, Christ is Life. God send down Jesus to die so that Christians can have life. Just because Christ is human doesn't make Him excluded from a Catholic actual taking Him as nourishment for the soul rather than just spiritually think about its symbolic significance of His sacrifice only.
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Some religion skeptics says its hard to understand christianity as a loving religion when catholics got a understanding of their practise as literally eating and drinking Jesus flesh and blood. Some skeptics have taken it so far to call it for a religion thats strongly influenced by paeanistic traditions, and are not that more civilized than other traditions. They mean that this sacrament have many likenesses to cannibalism.

Do someone have thoughts about this? How can we explain the catholic communion in a good manner in meeting with arguments like this?
The Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy calls the Eucharist an "unbloody sacrifice" for starters. The Catechism is a great resource. As far as Scriptural support goes, Jesus talks about this in spades in John 6, and He is very clear--we must eat His flesh and drink His blood.
 

kepha31

Active Member
Cannibalism! Yea, and we boil babies in oil too!

If the Passover becomes disconnected from the Crucifixion, then His death is nothing more than an execution, and bread and wine are just symbols. It's ONE sacrifice. And the Mass is not a separate sacrifice, its one and the same with Passover. That's why the charge of "re-crucifying Jesus" is so ridiculous. this link from xkatz is excellent. Is the Eucharist cannibalism?
Another good resource:Scripture Catholic - THE EUCHARIST
and The Fourth Cup by Scott Hahn – The Prodigal Catholic Blog
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awesome video:
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I found it! "The History of Salvation. God's Plan for His People" by Monsignor Daniel Deutsch. (From Lighthouse Media)

This enlightening talk traces the high adventure of God's Divine Love Story revealed through the seven covenants that span from Eden to Calvary, beginning with Adam and culminating with Jesus.

I gave away most my Lighthouse Media, but a few I kept; this is one of them. I tried to find it on youtube. If I do, I'll post it.

Oh, that and "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist" By Dr. Brant Pitre (Lighthouse Media)
 

Wharton

Active Member
Some religion skeptics says its hard to understand christianity as a loving religion when catholics got a understanding of their practise as literally eating and drinking Jesus flesh and blood. Some skeptics have taken it so far to call it for a religion thats strongly influenced by paeanistic traditions, and are not that more civilized than other traditions. They mean that this sacrament have many likenesses to cannibalism.

Do someone have thoughts about this? How can we explain the catholic communion in a good manner in meeting with arguments like this?
It's not cannibalism when you consume an inferior being (chicken, etc). Likewise, it's not cannibalism when you consume a superior being (Jesus/God).

If you take the time to listen to the words spoken during Mass before Communion, it is explained.

"As you (Jesus) humbled yourself to share in our humanity, we humble ourselves to share in your divinity.

BTW, if you look at the definition of the Eucharist, it is the body, body, soul and divinity of Jesus. Nothing in the definition of consuming his humanity.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
(That's the point, @leibowde84 - it's sarcasm; note the smiley.)
Ahhem. Anyway. To ask a question on this so I'm not, you know, in violation of the DIR rules.

My Catholic friends, how often does this come up, and what are your best resources on this subject?
I remember when I was converting to Catholicism and a I asked a priest who was a friend about this. :D

Anyway, Christ's Body and Blood in the Eucharist is His Resurrected Body and Blood. It's not a normal human body.
 
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