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Can't find a job - my undying hatred of capitalism continues

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Networking is first and foremost the best way to find what you need.

As an entrepreneur, I can't think of a better way to find staff, vendors, agents, etc than getting out the door and talking with people, and then continuing to talk with people.

It's all about the conversation. Keep your head up, Gene. I know it's tough! :hug:
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Networking is first and foremost the best way to find what you need.

As an entrepreneur, I can't think of a better way to find staff, vendors, agents, etc than getting out the door and talking with people, and then continuing to talk with people.

It's all about the conversation. Keep your head up, Gene. I know it's tough! :hug:
Exactly. Communication... communication... communication...
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Don't limit your options. Networking is important. So is getting your resume out everywhere - and then following up. Putting a real person with a piece of paper is very important.

When you interview with staffing companies, you're maximizing your presence. You're also interviewing with all of their client companies.

When you go to a trade show with your resume, this is also very effective exposure.

Are there any groups of people or companies - even philanthropic groups - which attract professionals in your future field? If so - GET INVOLVED. Even if this means volunteering to do phone duty or sign people in somewhere or help with a newsletter.

Speaking of philanthropic groups - what about Rotary, or the local Economic Development Council, Main Street group, or your local chamber of Commerce? All of those groups attract business professionals, and rely on volunteer work. Get in there, volunteer, and then let people know you are looking for a job. Pay it forward, in other words.

The point is - EXPOSURE.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
It's a messed up system when the fact I'm trying to better myself with an educational background in a relevant field of science makes me unqualified with employers because I'm too much of a "risk."
I'm not sure about this. Since I recently moved back to Israel I found that the market in archaeology changed dramatically. While archaeology graduates were snatched to work before I left, now the main archaeological governmental organization at least in my area has a direct order not to take new archaeologits. However it took me a very short time to find an alternative job, which is completely unrelated to my field. I simply phoned them directly then went directly to their office and the same day I was employed for training and a contract of one year. In the meantime I can work on my MA and fit back in the archaeological field in the future. Jobs are out there, they also don't mean that you have to pass on your academic progress. One of the main things I can say is that if I didn't speak directly with my new employees I would never get the job.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Have you tried substitute teacher? Not much money but at least its job experience and while applying for other jobs you can say you're working. Its funny how HR gives priority to people who already have a job. Also, check some of the Engineering, Procurement and Construction company websites like Bechtel, Shaw or Halliburton.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
When I was trying to get a job closer to my new home after I got married, I must have sent out 100 or more resumes online. I got up every morning and scanned the new offers and sent out resumes and cover letters.

Nothing happened for months. Then all of a sudden there was a flurry of activity. Several companies contacted me, and I went on five interviews, and got five job offers.

The bank I ended up at doesn't take walk in resumes. However, as a former manager there, I can assure you that if someone sharp walked in, I would take their resume, direct them to the website, and then email their resume to HR along with a note describing their personality and my impression of them. However, HR wouldn't contact them unless they applied online.

Pick some companies you're interested in, and go directly to their website. Apply online - for just about any job, even entry level, even clerical if necessary. Go there in person as well. Get names in HR, and then email your resume directly to them in addition to applying online.

Have you had anyone review your resume? A resume can make or break you. Frankly, I had a killer resume - in fact I had three. Each one was geared toward a different type of job - sales, management, or customer service. Each resume had a different mission statement as an opener. ONE PAGE by the way. Powerful language is important -each word is important in fact. Less is more.

One big mistake that I see people make in resumes is too much information about stuff that should be a given. In other words - don't say things like "proficient in Word/Excel." Damn, you better be! Don't say, "Dependable/good attendance record." Really? This sort of "filler" is obviously an attempt to flesh out a thin resume.

Focus on your specific skills, and accomplishments, even if the job doesn't seem "glamorous." For instance, if you managed a pet hotel - focus on your management skills, how you grew the clientele, how you developed a database or newsletter or made facility improvements, or interviewed and hired staff, etc. Don't say, "Responsibilities included feeding and walking dogs."

I've interviewed and hired literally hundreds of people in my 15 years of management experience in staffing and HR. Shy is OK - in fact, a quiet demeanor can be desirable. But you have to SMILE, look directly into your interviewer's face, and answer interview questions firmly and specifically. DON'T read a book on how to answer every interview question glibly - a seasoned manager can tell a canned response from 100 yards! Just be honest, sincere, and personable - by personable I mean simply warm. Shake their hand firmly. Ask at the end of the interview when you should hear something. Be sure and get their business card and IMMEDIATELY send them a thank you note - I mean, have one ready in your car, stamped and everything, write the personal note, and go directly to the post office and mail the note so they get it the next day. Follow up with an email or phone call a few days later.

Do NOT discuss benefits packages or job progression in the first interview. Focus on what's in it for THEM, not what's in it for you. DO NOT badmouth any former workplace or manager.

On your resume, if you've jumped around a lot -as many students do - don't put specific dates - put the YEAR you worked there and leave it at that. Be honest if they ask, but don't volunteer if you were only at a job a few months. If it comes up, and you had a good reason for short term employment, have your answer ready and don't back down - just make a reasonable case for the turnover.

Hope this helps.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
I think you misread my previous post, though. I'm not shy, just introverted. I'm not going to be the life of a party, but I will be that person people go to for an interesting conversation. I have no problem talking to someone or smiling or looking someone in the eyes, but I'm not an upfront person.

I think my resumes are fine. I've had the basic templates checked by a few people. I do use "Profficient in Word/Excell" when the job requirements specifically ask for it, but that's about it.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
Have you tried substitute teacher? Not much money but at least its job experience and while applying for other jobs you can say you're working. Its funny how HR gives priority to people who already have a job. Also, check some of the Engineering, Procurement and Construction company websites like Bechtel, Shaw or Halliburton.

The problem is substitute teaching jobs are basically nonexistant during the summer. :D
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I think you misread my previous post, though. I'm not shy, just introverted. I'm not going to be the life of a party, but I will be that person people go to for an interesting conversation. I have no problem talking to someone or smiling or looking someone in the eyes, but I'm not an upfront person.

I think my resumes are fine. I've had the basic templates checked by a few people. I do use "Profficient in Word/Excell" when the job requirements specifically ask for it, but that's about it.

Not to be ugly - but please use Spell Check as well - you've misspelled "proficient" and "Excel."

Eugene - something is holding back your job search and in Texas, especially in a major metropolitan area, you should be able to find a job. I encourage you to take your resume to your career placement department or a professional placement company and have it reviewed and tweaked if necessary. If you are applying online, this is your ONLY chance to make an impression. Excellence is CRITICAL. "Fine" won't cut it. You have to stand out.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
I think you misread my previous post, though. I'm not shy, just introverted. I'm not going to be the life of a party, but I will be that person people go to for an interesting conversation. I have no problem talking to someone or smiling or looking someone in the eyes, but I'm not an upfront person.

I think my resumes are fine. I've had the basic templates checked by a few people. I do use "Profficient in Word/Excell" when the job requirements specifically ask for it, but that's about it.

If something isn't working for you, change it.

What's holding you back?
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
The problem is substitute teaching jobs are basically nonexistant during the summer. :D

Ah. You have to forgive us old farts who forget that there is a difference in summer and winter. But check out the EPC companies, I know Bechtel is always looking for college students to hire for the summer, I assume the others do too. You might try big oil down in Houston too. It might feel like working for the enemy but hey, a pay check is a pay check.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The unemployment rate in D/FW is 7 percent.
Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

This means that 93 percent of job seekers in that area are employed. That's not a high unemployment rate.

Eugene, not saying that you have this attitude, but be sure you don't project a victim or a surly attitude when interviewing. Nothing is a bigger turnoff than a negative demeanor or a victim complex.

Are you researching the companies you're applying at or interviewing at? Do this and INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION in your cover letter. Are you including a cover letter with your resumes? This is very important - it separates you from the pack. Include information you've gleaned from research. "I was very impressed to find that in spite of a soft economy, your company posted impressive profits in 2011. It is important to me to work with a company that values excellence." You get the picture.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Gene, I love it when a potential staff member does his or her homework. I've received resumes from dancers I never met that followed up with a phone call, or took one of my classes, met me afterward, and that's what made the difference for me. I've taken others on just because they sent a resume and wanting a job, and overall I've had more issues later on with them....not showing up for work, texting their friends/being on facebook all day and never doing their task lists, complaining about their hours, or worse....treating the customers horribly and then arguing with me when I draw the line on their behavior. I don't know what to think when after I fire them they call me or email me yelling, "You can't DO that to me!" and I reply, "I just did. Good luck to you."

I don't just send out flyers looking for employees. I talk about my business to everyone I meet. I've made my mistakes before by not doing my homework with potential employees, and instead of complaining about the attitude of the young adult and teen generation (which some of my curmudgeonly colleagues sometimes tend to do), I hit the pavement and start talking. They're out there.

I offer the same to you. :yes:
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
Yeah, I just wish that more companies were open to contact in person without having the fortune of knowing someone in the company. I've been targeting internships recently to navigate the problem of not being a viable career-seeker in their industry. My transcript shouts "science educator."

I'm currently refreshing on some scripting knowledge I attained in the past (html, xml, php).

Does anyone have any advice about filling out the EOE forms? Should a white male just leave them blank?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Lie if need be. Make up more relevant places to the place you are applying for. Say you managed a Hardee's for a year as a freshmen. Tell them you have experience in whatever you can possible pull off telling them you have experience in. Furnish fake work references to your friends who can be prepared to take a call and talk you up.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Lie if need be. Make up more relevant places to the place you are applying for. Say you managed a Hardee's for a year as a freshmen. Tell them you have experience in whatever you can possible pull off telling them you have experience in. Furnish fake work references to your friends who can be prepared to take a call and talk you up.

No.

No no no no no no nooooooooo.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Lie if need be. Make up more relevant places to the place you are applying for. Say you managed a Hardee's for a year as a freshmen. Tell them you have experience in whatever you can possible pull off telling them you have experience in. Furnish fake work references to your friends who can be prepared to take a call and talk you up.
Nah, lying can sabotage the job you eventually get.

I begin to think you should seek out job search coaching or mentoring. You've received lots'o good advice, but without experience
implementing these things, it can be daunting to network, cold call, & be aggressive. A coach can alert you to shortcomings to fix,
& motivate you far more than we disembodied posters ever could. There are even companies who do this, eg, Haldane.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I just wish that more companies were open to contact in person without having the fortune of knowing someone in the company. I've been targeting internships recently to navigate the problem of not being a viable career-seeker in their industry. My transcript shouts "science educator."

I'm currently refreshing on some scripting knowledge I attained in the past (html, xml, php).

Does anyone have any advice about filling out the EOE forms? Should a white male just leave them blank?


Look for job fairs. Bechtel does a job fair a couple times a year in Houston.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
If you can't find a job perhaps you can create your own.

Mow lawns, clean houses or fix stuff for people. Sometimes you can't wait for a job to just happen.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
If you can't find a job perhaps you can create your own.

Mow lawns, clean houses or fix stuff for people. Sometimes you can't wait for a job to just happen.

Yes!! :clap

I tell my students all the time who are looking for performance venues or showcases to make a showcase if they can't find one.
 
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