McBell
Unbound
So the Bible is actually presenting two different Gods?
Or did the God of the Bible change from the OT to the NT?
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Capital Punishment
- Thread starter kdrier
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Or did the God of the Bible change from the OT to the NT?
kai
ragamuffin
perhaps its a metaphor or an allegory
kdrier
Revolutionist
I'm no christian per se, But I do know the christian god agrees with capital punishment. In the bible I believe it says something along the lines of:
If someone does something crazy, kill them and let me judge their actions. If you were wrong in killing them for they were innocent or were temporarily out of place, fear not, for they will be treated accordingly.
Basically even if we do kill someone and in the off chance they turn out to be innocent or temporarily insane, god will be able to know the difference, and they will be "living" a better life in heaven I suppose.
somethin like dat
If someone does something crazy, kill them and let me judge their actions. If you were wrong in killing them for they were innocent or were temporarily out of place, fear not, for they will be treated accordingly.
Basically even if we do kill someone and in the off chance they turn out to be innocent or temporarily insane, god will be able to know the difference, and they will be "living" a better life in heaven I suppose.
somethin like dat
kadzbiz
..........................
Who decides what is the greater good? For the greatest number? Careful, this could work out to be totally adverse to what you may be thinking.
What if the instability can be cured and the person could become a positive model of society?
If it's a mind altering substance, how is it harmless? This becomes one of those lines that people like to bicker about.
I just love it when I hear people say presumptions like this.
People aren't thinking about the punishment when they commit abhorrent crimes, so there is no real deterent IMO. Anyway, why give them an easy way out. I say bring back hard labour. Make them struggle for the rest of their lives while they actually contribute to society.
Although, they don't always paint the whole picture.
Religion? Hasn't religion done plenty of killing?
The Seeker
Once upon a time....
How would that make you any different than the man that raped your girlfriend? I'm not in anyway condoning rape, nor do believe that rapist should receive light sentences for their actions, but I don't believe in the death penalty.
A big problem with the death penalty, as some have mentioned, is that it isn't fool proof. God knows how many people have been put to death because of faulty evidence, poor representation, racism, etc.
There's also the problem of knowing when to apply the death penalty. How does one determine what acts of murder or rape are heinous enough to be punishable by death? I would be much more likely to receive the death penalty for killing a cop than a janitor. I would also be more likely to end up on death row for killing a middle or upper class high school student than a homeless person. This isn't right and is the reason why capital punishment should be abolished.
rojse
RF Addict
Although I have my own opinions on capital punishment, wouldn't state-supported murder to save taxpayer money be a poor argument to support capital punishment?
Two wrongs don't make a right??? Maybe. As a Buddhist I am against capitol punishment as a human being that has been through "the justice system" (in the USA) I personally know it doesn't always work and some times the innocent get accused and made guilty without a jury of their peers. That being said no one ever killed anyone I knew or loved so.... what can I really say.
kai
ragamuffin
i was refering your reference to a quote of alphas which mentioned his religion and you agreed my mistake any way arnt you a jedi master
Perhaps I have a different viewpoint. I would ask two questions when the prison becomes full. Who has been here the longest? What is the chance of this person hurting anyone on the outside?
If they have a greater chance of hurting someone, they would be executed to make room for the next prisoner. If they pose no threat to society, they should be released.
If they have a greater chance of hurting someone, they would be executed to make room for the next prisoner. If they pose no threat to society, they should be released.
PureX
Veteran Member
That's surprisingly logical of you, Rick. *smile*
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
I'd like to see capital puniishment, i made a thread about this before, but some **** was getting cranky so bokoo had to close it down.
rojse
RF Addict
I don't support capital punishment for several reasons.
The best argument against it, in my opinion, is that there is always the possibility that a person imprisoned for a crime is innocent of their charges.
I would like to know where the "greatest good" is if someone is later found to be innocent of their charges.
The best argument against it, in my opinion, is that there is always the possibility that a person imprisoned for a crime is innocent of their charges.
I would like to know where the "greatest good" is if someone is later found to be innocent of their charges.
It would be my desire for people to wait at least 10 years to be executed. Drug offenders would be released. My opinion is, no victim no crime.
kai
ragamuffin
that is very humane making someone wait ten years before you kill them , just in case some new evidence turns up and we may have to release you , because it would be embarrassing if you were a corpse.
which drug offenders would you release the ones that steal to get a fix or the guys in it for the money
JamBar85
Master Designer
I'm on the fence about capital punishment.
In one sense I agree because I also think that murderers, rapists and child abusers deserve to die but on the other hand even though death is a form of punishment, it almost seems like an easy way out for the criminal.
What I mean is that they could be thinking "Hmmmmm, death isn't so bad. At least I won't have to rot in a cell with no light for the next 50+ years..."
I think they should rot for 50 years then if there still alive, give them the chair or injection or however it's done now.
But like you said, if the jails are full then capital punishment doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
In one sense I agree because I also think that murderers, rapists and child abusers deserve to die but on the other hand even though death is a form of punishment, it almost seems like an easy way out for the criminal.
What I mean is that they could be thinking "Hmmmmm, death isn't so bad. At least I won't have to rot in a cell with no light for the next 50+ years..."
I think they should rot for 50 years then if there still alive, give them the chair or injection or however it's done now.
But like you said, if the jails are full then capital punishment doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
Capitla should be reserved for the summiest people, then only when jails are packed.
Ahh, I see.i was refering your reference to a quote of alphas which mentioned his religion and you agreed my mistake any way arnt you a jedi master
I was actually agreeing with the part about being in that person's place (one who's loved one was a victim), rather than the religion.
And yes, I'm a Jedi.