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Carter Page FBI releases docs

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
Supposedly he was an informal advisor with the Kremlin and has a long history with Russia and Russia was trying to recruit him. TRump is mad about it.

Why are you talking about this as if this allegation is new?? This allegation was already made, it's just that we did not have the exact text of the warrant.

We only have the text now because of a FOIA request that came about because the Republicans and Democrats have conflicting accounts of what was in the warrant.

Specifically the Republicans alleged that the entire basis for suspicion was founded in the Steele Dossier, who's status as op research was not disclosed to the court.

The Democrats allege that there was more than the Steele Dossier in the warrant that led to suspicion of Page.

The released warrant in question only says that "Informant #1" was hired to do research by a "US citizen" and a "business associate", though it is potentially possible that the identity of the citizen as the staff of an opposing candidate is somewhere in the redacted portion, so the Republicans' claims can't be proven.

The closest the unredacted text comes to identifying the Steele Dossier as op research is including Page's statements in his own defense that the allegations against him come from hired private investigators from the Clinton campaign.

The released warrant does not mention any source other than "Source #1", which, through context, is obviously Steele, though it is possible there are more sources in the huge redacted chunk of the warrant that mentions sources other than Steele. Ergo the Democrats' claim is not proven but cannot also be disproven.

So the whole document is redacted to the point that we can't tell from it which side is telling the truth and which is not. Which is probably to be expected.

But props to the FBI on this whole warrant. They've done a great service in getting the Right to actually care about the problem of FISA court abuse.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
But props to the FBI on this whole warrant. They've done a great service in getting the Right to actually care about the problem of FISA court abuse.
When one gets into the details, there simply was no FISA court abuse when the four Republican judges allowed the warrants, but don't tell those at Fox that. There was plenty of reason to suspect Page's activities.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Forget it Im sure the agents and FBI folks will be fired any minute, if it upsets Trump hell throw a tantrum about it don't worry.
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
When one gets into the details, there simply was no FISA court abuse when the four Republican judges allowed the warrants, but don't tell those at Fox that. There was plenty of reason to suspect Page's activities.

Who cares about whether or not there was abuse this case specifically?? :p

FISA court abuse has been rampant and rubber-stamping has been a huge problem, if unaddressed. If partisanship gets people motivated to care about the issue, so be it.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Who cares about whether or not there was abuse this case specifically?? :p

FISA court abuse has been rampant and rubber-stamping has been a huge problem, if unaddressed. If partisanship gets people motivated to care about the issue, so be it.
You simply do not know what you're talking about as getting FISA warrants is like pulling dragon's teeth. They are much harder to get than regular warrants, and all four warrants issued were by Republican judges with help from a great many assistants, so the judges cannot act alone. Also, there is a very high bar on the issue of "probable cause" that must be reached.

So, instead of trying to understand the law, you've chosen to blindly accept right-wing talking points put forth by politicians that are doing their best to defend what should be indefensible.

So, let me help to squelch your lack of knowledge on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
 
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