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Wonderwoman animated was really cool, I rememober being very pleasantly surprised.

What led you to be surprised that the Wonder Woman film was really cool?

She's the most powerful female hero, and one of the most powerful of heroes overall, in DC comics. Out of the 17 DC animated films, hers made the 4th most money and was one of the higher rated ones by critics.

 

[Me Myself]

What led you to be surprised that the Wonder Woman film was really cool?

She's the most powerful female hero, and one of the most powerful of heroes overall, in DC comics. Out of the 17 DC animated films, hers made the 4th most money and was one of the higher rated ones by critics.

I never really felt her. In general I dislike the bathsuit costume and the feeling she is like a superman rip off with mish mash nothing to do stuff like the lasso of truth that gives her a cowboy feeling with the costume that doesnt seem to resemble greekness stuff in the slightest plust the invisible plane that felt too silly, etc.

I bought a TPB of hers written by Gail Simone (other stuff I ve read of her is outstanding!) but it was kind of a meh. Not bad, not particularly good.

But when I said really cool I meant that I for exae liked it more than other Superman movies. Not that I am a great fan of Superman, but he does have a greater fanbase than WW . I liked the biases that they gave her, I liked how they played out, I loved the issue with the amazon that did you know what for you know who. I liked a lot of things. The movie doesnt need to go good simply because she is one of the big three. But they made it, and I was pleased by it.

 

[Penumbra]

I never really felt her. In general I dislike the bathsuit costume and the feeling she is like a superman rip off with mish mash nothing to do stuff like the lasso of truth that gives her a cowboy feeling with the costume that doesnt seem to resemble greekness stuff in the slightest plust the invisible plane that felt too silly, etc.

I bought a TPB of hers written by Gail Simone (other stuff I ve read of her is outstanding!) but it was kind of a meh. Not bad, not particularly good.

But when I said really cool I meant that I for exae liked it more than other Superman movies. Not that I am a great fan of Superman, but he does have a greater fanbase than WW . I liked the biases that they gave her, I liked how they played out, I loved the issue with the amazon that did you know what for you know who. I liked a lot of things. The movie doesnt need to go good simply because she is one of the big three. But they made it, and I was pleased by it.

She was conceptualized in the 40's because all of the heroes were men and her creator wanted to make a female one, and therefore not really a Superman copy. Her fighting style is very different than Superman with the lasso, a sword, and far more combat expertise and with no heat vision, super hearing, etc.

They dropped some character aspects of her over time, like with other heroes. For example, she started off with pretty heavy bondage themes on both the dominant and submissive side (the guy that created her was rather kinky) which DC moved away from but there are still remnants of, they basically dropped the invisible plane (it's stupid, she can fly, but some writers at times did not have her flying), the lasso of truth originated because her creator was also one of the inventors of the polygraph machine, and the American outfit has had mixed explanations (she's a diplomat to America, or it's just a coincidence and the red/white/blue means something else, etc). I do think she needs an outfit redesign at this point, though. There was a short-lived (and disliked) redesign but they dropped it quickly and went back to the original.

In general she tends to be written as one of the toughest characters, though, and is one of the female heroes that does not originate under the shadow of a male character (like Batgirl and Supergirl even though they're good characters). Unlike Batman and usually Superman, she's willing to kill if necessary.

She has easily beaten Supergirl in the comics, has easily beaten Powergirl in the comics, and has had mixed success at fighting Superman in the comics, so DC has positioned her as the most powerful female hero and one of their top three brands along with Batman and Superman, but she generally gets less exposure than those two by far in the last couple decades. Green Lantern got a live action movie (which was fairly bad), and an animated series, even though her animated movie came out in the same year as his and made a bit more money than his. Green Arrow got a live action tv show after they cancelled the idea of a Wonder Woman live action tv show, even though her comic outsells his comic.

Basically DC gives her less exposure than her sales figures should justify, and she's a better character than people give her credit for.

 

[Me Myself]

She was conceptualized in the 40's because all of the heroes were men and her creator wanted to make a female one, and therefore not really a Superman copy. Her fighting style is very different than Superman with the lasso, a sword, and far more combat expertise and with no heat vision, super hearing, etc.

They dropped some character aspects of her over time, like with other heroes. For example, she started off with pretty heavy bondage themes on both the dominant and submissive side (the guy that created her was rather kinky) which DC moved away from but there are still remnants of, they basically dropped the invisible plane (it's stupid, she can fly, but some writers at times did not have her flying), the lasso of truth originated because her creator was also one of the inventors of the polygraph machine, and the American outfit has had mixed explanations (she's a diplomat to America, or it's just a coincidence and the red/white/blue means something else, etc). I do think she needs an outfit redesign at this point, though. There was a short-lived (and disliked) redesign but they dropped it quickly and went back to the original.

In general she tends to be written as one of the toughest characters, though, and is one of the female heroes that does not originate under the shadow of a male character (like Batgirl and Supergirl even though they're good characters). Unlike Batman and usually Superman, she's willing to kill if necessary.

She has easily beaten Supergirl in the comics, has easily beaten Powergirl in the comics, and has had mixed success at fighting Superman in the comics, so DC has positioned her as the most powerful female hero and one of their top three brands along with Batman and Superman, but she generally gets less exposure than those two by far in the last couple decades. Green Lantern got a live action movie (which was fairly bad), and an animated series, even though her animated movie came out in the same year as his and made a bit more money than his. Green Arrow got a live action tv show after they cancelled the idea of a Wonder Woman live action tv show, even though her comic outsells his comic.

Basically DC gives her less exposure than her sales figures should justify, and she's a better character than people give her credit for.

I npw most if not all of that

I think most of it is the suit and the lasso. I cant get over how they dont seem to mix with the stuff that on my vision would make her more of her own character. For example, there are comics where the has some sort of armor. Different versions of this have been done, but in general, I much prefer this than the suit. I feel it goes better with what she was supposed to be as she was reimagined.

As you say, she started witht he bondage thing, even with the tie her bracelets together and she loses all her powers thing. I think this kind of stuff would have been better dropped out. Not the bracelets thing, that of course was already dropped out, but the lasso with its cowboy feeling, her silly tiara and her star sprankled pelvis.

I think now her suit is much better, though I havent been catching up with her and very much less since the new 52 thing.

I liked her having a "tougher" attitude than the other two, as I said, that's why I dont like the silly tiara and silly costume.

For example, on e examples of armored versions, do you remember the thing with Imperiex and her clashes with Darkseid? I loved when she and the amazons prayed to Darkseid and he told her that she would for ever remember that and then she put m i his place and told him that it was the other way around, and that if he ever is compassionate towards someone and doesnt know why, that he must rememebr that their compassion and appreciation for the living will be for eer part of his essence.

When depicted correctly, she can be really cool, its just that I rarely see her depicted so for more than a pair of scenes (eeven when sometimes is scenes are awesome, like the Darkseid example) . While Wonderwoman had her moments in DCUA, she was one of the leat interesting characters for me ere for example. As I said, I read a TPB by Gail Simone on her and I know Gail Simone is really comitted to bring out the female superheroes in comics and females in general in the genre. I loved what Gail did in Sinister Six for example (I may be wrong about the name, but. Hopefully yu know which group I am talking abot ) and I havent even heard of them prior it. I loved other works of her and she is very acclaimed, but when I read the whole TPB, all her creation ina. Project she was really involved with, it was an overall meh.

So in summary, I simply havent been exposed to a lot of "awesome!" WW material for me to expect much from her, but have been exposed to a lot of mehs

And again, I seriously have problems with ithe tiara and cowboy lasso and bathsuit thing . I like some depictions where I ve seen her with more roman things like e roman kind of skirt and I prefer her looking more muscular.

I mean she is an amazon! Who fought with othher amazons! I dont like her looking like she is on a low carb diet :thud:

She very could could have had great character moments, but I ve just not being exposed to a lot of good long depictions of her. Just meh, so that's what I know and that's why I get surprised if Ip see something of her that I like.

 

[Quagmire]

She was conceptualized in the 40's because all of the heroes were men and her creator wanted to make a female one, and therefore not really a Superman copy. Her fighting style is very different than Superman with the lasso, a sword, and far more combat expertise and with no heat vision, super hearing, etc.

They dropped some character aspects of her over time, like with other heroes. For example, she started off with pretty heavy bondage themes on both the dominant and submissive side (the guy that created her was rather kinky) which DC moved away from but there are still remnants of, they basically dropped the invisible plane (it's stupid, she can fly, but some writers at times did not have her flying), the lasso of truth originated because her creator was also one of the inventors of the polygraph machine, and the American outfit has had mixed explanations (she's a diplomat to America, or it's just a coincidence and the red/white/blue means something else, etc). I do think she needs an outfit redesign at this point, though. There was a short-lived (and disliked) redesign but they dropped it quickly and went back to the original.

In general she tends to be written as one of the toughest characters, though, and is one of the female heroes that does not originate under the shadow of a male character (like Batgirl and Supergirl even though they're good characters). Unlike Batman and usually Superman, she's willing to kill if necessary.

She has easily beaten Supergirl in the comics, has easily beaten Powergirl in the comics, and has had mixed success at fighting Superman in the comics, so DC has positioned her as the most powerful female hero and one of their top three brands along with Batman and Superman, but she generally gets less exposure than those two by far in the last couple decades. Green Lantern got a live action movie (which was fairly bad), and an animated series, even though her animated movie came out in the same year as his and made a bit more money than his. Green Arrow got a live action tv show after they cancelled the idea of a Wonder Woman live action tv show, even though her comic outsells his comic.

Basically DC gives her less exposure than her sales figures should justify, and she's a better character than people give her credit for.

They're probably waiting until people have had enough time to forget about this: Wonder Woman (TV Series 1975

 

[Penumbra]

I npw most if not all of that

I think most of it is the suit and the lasso. I cant get over how they dont seem to mix with the stuff that on my vision would make her more of her own character. For example, there are comics where the has some sort of armor. Different versions of this have been done, but in general, I much prefer this than the suit. I feel it goes better with what she was supposed to be as she was reimagined.

As you say, she started witht he bondage thing, even with the tie her bracelets together and she loses all her powers thing. I think this kind of stuff would have been better dropped out. Not the bracelets thing, that of course was already dropped out, but the lasso with its cowboy feeling, her silly tiara and her star sprankled pelvis.

They already did drop the weakness where if her bracelets (modified shackles, called Bracelets of Submission originally :areyoucra) are tied together she loses her powers.

The only thing they brought back about those in the modern version, is that if she removes them, she becomes more powerful and aggressive (kind of a berserker rage mode), because she wears them to keep her power in check to keep other people safe. That's an old ability that was discontinued for a while and recently brought back.

I think now her suit is much better, though I havent been catching up with her and very much less since the new 52 thing.

I liked her having a "tougher" attitude than the other two, as I said, that's why I dont like the silly tiara and silly costume.

For example, on e examples of armored versions, do you remember the thing with Imperiex and her clashes with Darkseid? I loved when she and the amazons prayed to Darkseid and he told her that she would for ever remember that and then she put m i his place and told him that it was the other way around, and that if he ever is compassionate towards someone and doesnt know why, that he must rememebr that their compassion and appreciation for the living will be for eer part of his essence.

When depicted correctly, she can be really cool, its just that I rarely see her depicted so for more than a pair of scenes (eeven when sometimes is scenes are awesome, like the Darkseid example) . While Wonderwoman had her moments in DCUA, she was one of the leat interesting characters for me ere for example. As I said, I read a TPB by Gail Simone on her and I know Gail Simone is really comitted to bring out the female superheroes in comics and females in general in the genre. I loved what Gail did in Sinister Six for example (I may be wrong about the name, but. Hopefully yu know which group I am talking abot ) and I havent even heard of them prior it. I loved other works of her and she is very acclaimed, but when I read the whole TPB, all her creation ina. Project she was really involved with, it was an overall meh.

So in summary, I simply havent been exposed to a lot of "awesome!" WW material for me to expect much from her, but have been exposed to a lot of mehs

And again, I seriously have problems with ithe tiara and cowboy lasso and bathsuit thing . I like some depictions where I ve seen her with more roman things like e roman kind of skirt and I prefer her looking more muscular.

I mean she is an amazon! Who fought with othher amazons! I dont like her looking like she is on a low carb diet :thud:

I do think they should consider more of an armored Greek design, which is what she sometimes wears when she is with the other Amazons. She can already take punches from Superman so the armor would only be relevant if it was magically durable or divine (whereas the full-blooded Amazons aren't nearly that strong and the armor they wear is relevant for them). The thing is, though, that even the DC Olympian gods keep themselves somewhat modernized because they interact with humans to the present day and don't perpetually stay under Greek aesthetics, so for example Apollo wears a modern suit. So they can give her a modern costume rather than a Greek armor look without it being out of place in her comic's world. In the latest redesign they were going to give her pants but then decided not to at the last minute, keeping her without pants instead. In Justice League War, they covered her cleavage. I don't care if she shows some skin but her outfit should be designed for practicality rather than sex appeal.

She very could could have had great character moments, but I ve just not being exposed to a lot of good long depictions of her. Just meh, so that's what I know and that's why I get surprised if Ip see something of her that I like.

I think the writing of her in the comics has been pretty good in the modern age, outfit aside.

The arc where she fought Superman and killed Maxwell Lord was fairly epic. Lord gave Superman an illusion that Doomsday killed Lois Lane and that Wonder Woman was Doomsday, so Superman attacked her in a murderous rage, she fought him and sort of won, and then had to break Lord's neck to stop the spell, which angered the rest of the Justice League due to its violence. She was still being kind, though, like holding back when she injured Superman to try to beat him without killing him, and praying to the gods when she was plummeting to Earth semi-conscious at one point that she wouldn't hit anyone upon impact.

Her fighting style and internal narration during fights is more hardcore, like when she beat the Kryptonian Power Girl (Page 1, Page 2).

Her Flashpoint storyline was that in another timeline, the Amazons went to war with the Atlanteans and Wonder Woman became evil and took over Britain, and killed Captain Marvel and some other heroes.

Her current storyline starting in 2011 is sort of an Olympian Game of Thrones situation, where Zeus is gone and there is some chaos over his throne and she's trying to protect people from the gods and deal with their god politics (as a demigod herself, daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta), while dealing with all of the evils of Amazon society that she didn't previously know about (I'm not happy with those Amazon changes, all man-hating murderers now except her). But she also shows up in the Justice League comic, the Superman/Wonder Woman comic, to help Batwoman in the Batwoman comic, or to beat Supergirl up in Supergirl's comic.

 

[Penumbra]

They're probably waiting until people have had enough time to forget about this: Wonder Woman (TV Series 1975

Which had a strong viewership back then and gave the character a lot more mainstream popularity, like the super corny Batman tv show from several years earlier, and the Superman film that came out during her show's run where he flew around the Earth to turn back time and stuff like that.

I don't know, that's your era, not mine.

 

[Me Myself]

They already did drop the weakness where if her bracelets (modified shackles, called Bracelets of Submission originally :areyoucra) are tied together she loses her powers. (...)

Let me go over this here :

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/literature/156467-dc-comics-related-subjects.html#post3566401

 

[Quagmire]

Which had a strong viewership back then and gave the character a lot more mainstream popularity, like the super corny Batman tv show from several years earlier, and the Superman film that came out during her show's run where he flew around the Earth to turn back time and stuff like that.

I don't know, that's your era, not mine.

Yeah. That's when we all sat around bored stiff and asking each other, "So, what do you guys want to do while we're waiting for somebody to invent CGI?" and someone said, "I know! Since anything we make is going to look cheap, corny, and basically like a joke in 20 years anyway, why not intentionally make it all cheap, corny, etc? That way future generations will just think we were chic".

Took off better than we expected. We wound up paving the way for Hercules: The Legendary Journeys (TV Series 1995, Xena: Warrior Princess (TV Series 1995, professional wrestling, and the 1980's as a whole.