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Catholic bishops advance effort to deny Biden communion

questfortruth

Well-Known Member

He is not a king. Because the king stands for Holy Spirit only. He is president. By definition, any president stays for every citizen in his country. But the people belong to two spirits: Holy Spirit and the evil spirit: "your father is the devil" (Jesus Christ). So, it seems reasonable and merciful to allow church communion to the president. It is his job, there is no other way around it (for the current planetary level of holiness). Simply, please make an exception. He is a good theist.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
No Communion for Biden at a church largely led by religious extremists? How is he going to sleep at night now? What a loss for him and the world!

I'm actually glad the impact of such religious fanatics is limited to merely trying to deny someone in power Communion. Imagine if they could actually enact laws or had any de jure constitutional power to influence state law.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
............. So, it seems reasonable and merciful to allow church communion to the president. It is his job, there is no other way around it (for the current planetary level of holiness). Simply, please make an exception. He is a good theist.
With the passing of time corrupted religion will find that the political world will suddenly surprisingly turn on her.
With backing, the United Nations can be strengthened and prove to be God's ' ax ' used to turn on such religion.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member

He is not a king. Because the king stands for Holy Spirit only. He is president. By definition, any president stays for every citizen in his country. But the people belong to two spirits: Holy Spirit and the evil spirit: "your father is the devil" (Jesus Christ). So, it seems reasonable and merciful to allow church communion to the president. It is his job, there is no other way around it (for the current planetary level of holiness). Simply, please make an exception. He is a good theist.

I honestly do not agree Biden should be denied communion.

It reminds me of this movie if you guys saw it through.


I don't believe anyone should be denied a religious sacrament.

*Cough*

Amen.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member

He is not a king. Because the king stands for Holy Spirit only. He is president. By definition, any president stays for every citizen in his country. But the people belong to two spirits: Holy Spirit and the evil spirit: "your father is the devil" (Jesus Christ). So, it seems reasonable and merciful to allow church communion to the president. It is his job, there is no other way around it (for the current planetary level of holiness). Simply, please make an exception. He is a good theist.

my only question

does any thinking person watch fox news?

just wondering
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"your father is the devil" (Jesus Christ)
Just to let you know it is common in English to put an explanatory note in brackets after what you said. So this appears as though you are explaining to us that by your father the devil what you meant was Jesus is your father the devil :D
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Yeah I saw this story earlier today: Catholic bishops back document that could lead to limits of Communion for Biden (msn.com)

It was apparently not agreed upon by all the bishops.

The vote to create guidelines on the meaning of Communion came after a 3½-hour emotional discussion Thursday at the annual spring meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Multiple bishops clashed over how, or if, they should single out the church’s teaching on abortion. And if they should single out politicians.

The draft document about the meaning of the Eucharist, a ritual that Catholicism teaches transforms bread and wine into the literal body and blood of Jesus, needed a simple majority vote. The measure passed 168 to 55, with six abstentions.

This is only a draft document. The final document is set to be vote upon in the fall. It would need at least 2/3 support from the bishops to pass, and even then, it would be up to individual bishops to decide how to implement it in their diocese.

The conference’s doctrine committee will present a draft at the bishops’ fall meeting for debate. Approval of a final document would need the support of two-thirds of bishops. Whatever the outcome of the final decision, it would still be up to the individual bishop to decide how to implement it in his diocese.

The cardinal in charge of the DC archdiocese said his priests would not deny communion to Biden.

The presidency of Biden, the second Catholic to serve in that position, is revealing deep divisions among U.S. bishops. On Friday, the president was asked about the effort that could allow some bishops to deny him and others Communion over their support for abortion access. He called it “a private matter.”

“I don’t think that’s going to happen,” Biden said.

Cardinal Wilton Gregory, who leads D.C.’s archdiocese and has stated that his priests would not deny Communion to Biden, said a document on such a sensitive topic needed more time and discussion.

“The choice before us at this moment is either we pursue a path of strengthening unity or settle for a document that will not bring unity but will very well further damage it,” he said.

Part of the division on display stems from the focus on Biden, a lifelong Catholic who attends Mass regularly, and what some say was a failure to criticize President Donald Trump, who has had two divorces, three marriages and an extramarital affair, and whose administration separated families at the border and revived the federal death penalty.

There were also explosive, profound differences about theology, pastoring, human nature and a political backdrop that set off a rare public show of division at the bishops’ conference. One bishop said the men were meeting at a time of “historic opportunity.” Yet another said he saw a national push for abortion access “the most aggressive I’ve ever seen.”

The church is grappling with a decline in the number of adherents to the faith, especially among some millennials, and a sense that by ignoring Catholic politicians who support abortion access it is being asked to compromise on one of the core aspects of its belief.

Each side said the other was jeopardizing the church’s reputation.

“Our credibility is on the line. … The eyes of the whole country are on us. If we don’t act courageously, clearly and convincingly on this core Catholic value, how can we expect to be taken seriously on another matter?” said San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone. He was among the members who urged the creation of the document, an idea that grew from Biden’s election in November and concern about the image of him receiving Communion at Mass each week.

But San Diego Bishop Robert McElroy said the threat was the vote — which would link a politician, their policy position and the Eucharist, considered the heart of Catholic worship

One bishop voiced opposition to the idea of politicizing the Eucharist and said that it could be weaponized for the sake of political partisanship.

“The Eucharist itself will be a tool in vicious partisan turmoil. It will be impossible to prevent its weaponization, even if everyone wants to do so,” he said. “Once we legitimize public-policy-based exclusion … we’ll invite all political animosity into the heart of the Eucharistic celebration.”

A document that so elevates the sinfulness of an abortion policy, McElroy argued, would fatally undermine the bishops’ ability to speak on other things, “including the condemnation of poverty, racism and environmental destruction.”

That last quote is interesting since it's suggested that the Church might lose credibility on other issues if they push too hard on the abortion issue. I would agree with that.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Simply, please make an exception. He is a good theist.

Could President Biden choose another Church?
Maybe it's time for all Catholics who disagree with extreme Catholic policies to leave Catholicism. ??
I don't think that Jesus would give a hoot for Catholicism.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Despite the wishes of some, the US is not a theocracy. That Biden supports US law on abortion rights and does not try to impose Catholic teaching as law seems to me to be a plus as a senator, vice president, and president. IMO, he should not be denied communion.
Yes, the US in Not a theocracy ( God ruled ) .
Also, the US in Not the theocracy of the Middle East which theocracy means: rule by clergy class or clergy rule.
Rather, biblical theocracy is the Kingdom that Jesus said we should pray 'God's kingdom come...'(thy kingdom come...)
God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44) is the theocratic government in which Jesus is King for a thousand years over Earth.
- 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
So, it is No wonder Jesus refused political office when it was offered to him at John 6:15.
Jesus and his 1st-century followers remained 'politically neutral' and did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans.
 
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