Catholic bishops advance effort to deny Biden communion

[URAVIP2ME]

Paul, who never met Jesus and argued with Peter, made it up as he went along, usurping Peter’s primacy and even Jesus himself. So yeah, take Paul with a grain of salt.

You might be surprised to know that before being called Paul, Paul was known by the name Saul.
The Paul of the Bible met the 'resurrected Jesus' according to 'gospel writer Luke' at Acts of the Apostles 9.
Luke, please see Acts of the Apostles 13:9, lets us know Saul became known as: Paul.
Paul's name was Saul before his conversion as found at Galatians 1:13-24.
Since Paul was the 'apostles to the nations' the name Paul could be easy for using among those non-Jews.
Acts of the Apostles 15 starts out about Paul and Barnabas.
Please consider how Paul handled a problem in Antioch at Acts of the Apostles 14:25 to Acts of the Apostles 15:2.
Since Paul was to take the lead in speaking to the uncircumcised gentiles Paul could have thought himself qualified in dealing with the non-Jews to resolve the circumcision issue.- Galatians 2:8-9.
When the issue was Not resolved Paul went along with the elders according to Luke at Acts of the Apostles 15:22-31.
Those spiritually older men ( included Peter) assigned Paul to be one of their messengers.
Paul took the lead in showing them honor- Romans 12:10. Paul remained humble - 1 Corinthians 15:9-11.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

URAVIP2ME You Must add some commentary so I know the point(s) you're making.

Thank you for your reply.
In line with the requirement of spiritually being clean in order to share in communion the warning is given to examine oneself before communion. This would include having hypocritical associations.
Treating God's standards as Not being sacred would bring about adverse instead of a favorable judgement.
One could be bringing adverse judgement against oneself - 1 Corinthians 11:27-29
A person can Not be drinking out of 2 different 'cups', so to speak. 1 Corinthians 10:18-21
Can't be part of the world ( out of harmony with Christ ) and be part of Christ.
Can't be associated with programs of the world out of harmony with Scripture.
Of course, we all need to remember it is God's decision about matters and not ours alone.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thank you for your reply.
In line with the requirement of spiritually being clean in order to share in communion the warning is given to examine oneself before communion. This would include having hypocritical associations.
Treating God's standards as Not being sacred would bring about adverse instead of a favorable judgement.
One could be bringing adverse judgement against oneself - 1 Corinthians 11:27-29
A person can Not be drinking out of 2 different 'cups', so to speak. 1 Corinthians 10:18-21
Can't be part of the world ( out of harmony with Christ ) and be part of Christ.
Can't be associated with programs of the world out of harmony with Scripture.
Of course, we all need to remember it is God's decision about matters and not ours alone.

(I've read). How can any person be a judgement of character of any person political or not just by a news story (from the media at that)?

If the church denied Biden (and Joe and Sandy) communion because of their positions then they mind as well band the rest of the sinners because assumingly one christian over another is not special in regards and political figures are no exception.

I found it easier for me to judge less when I see the genuine side of a political figure, actor, or authority-their humanity apart from their positions of power or even church authority. When I had my confirmation, the priest in our celebration played the guitar and others danced. A few celebrities (very few) have their own YouTube channel-and it's kind of refreshing to kinda see that side of them. President Biden going to communion is another mark of humility despite his position.

Who has the right to judge anyone's moral character but their god.... and since the Church is said to be inline with the apostles, if the bishop deny Biden communion, I'd say that the Church is in the wrong not the one who receives the Eucharist.

I sure do hope that he (john, Jane, and Jack) receive the Eucharist no matter how many sins they commit.

I mean, when you personally commit a grave sin and do it again (unless perfect?) do you loose your salvation?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

.................Who has the right to judge anyone's moral character but their god.... ..........I mean, when you personally commit a grave sin and do it again (unless perfect?) do you loose your salvation?

Jesus taught at Matthew 12:32; Luke 12:10 there is an un-forgivable sin, and to Not repent (practice sin - Hebrews 10:26) then yes one could then loose out on one's salvation - Matthew 24:13

Yes, God judges one's moral character by His standards of right and wrong.
In other words, God's judgement on matters is already recorded in Scripture for all to read.
God forces nor makes anyone follow His standards, but if one want to live forever then one should obey God.
2 Peter 3:9 is clear ' repent ' or ' perish' ( perish as in being destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22 )

 

[Jainarayan]

You might be surprised to know that before being called Paul, Paul was known by the name Saul.
The Paul of the Bible met the 'resurrected Jesus' according to 'gospel writer Luke' at Acts of the Apostles 9.
Luke, please see Acts of the Apostles 13:9, lets us know Saul became known as: Paul.
Paul's name was Saul before his conversion as found at Galatians 1:13-24.
Since Paul was the 'apostles to the nations' the name Paul could be easy for using among those non-Jews.
Acts of the Apostles 15 starts out about Paul and Barnabas.
Please consider how Paul handled a problem in Antioch at Acts of the Apostles 14:25 to Acts of the Apostles 15:2.
Since Paul was to take the lead in speaking to the uncircumcised gentiles Paul could have thought himself qualified in dealing with the non-Jews to resolve the circumcision issue.- Galatians 2:8-9.
When the issue was Not resolved Paul went along with the elders according to Luke at Acts of the Apostles 15:22-31.
Those spiritually older men ( included Peter) assigned Paul to be one of their messengers.
Paul took the lead in showing them honor- Romans 12:10. Paul remained humble - 1 Corinthians 15:9-11.

I might not be surprised because I was baptized and raised Catholic, made First Holy Communion, made Confirmation and went to weekly CCD classes for all that time, Sunday specifically, after Mass. I wasn’t born a “Bound-for-Hell-Savior-Rejecting-Idol-Worshiper”. So yeah, I know something about it. To be precise, I know all about that. And I know how politics and ego works its way into religious leadership. In fact, I learned more and see things in better perspective having left Christianity.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I might not be surprised because I was baptized and raised Catholic, made First Holy Communion, made Confirmation and went to weekly CCD classes for all that time, Sunday specifically, after Mass. I wasn’t born a “Bound-for-Hell-Savior-Rejecting-Idol-Worshiper”. So yeah, I know something about it. To be precise, I know all about that. And I know how politics and ego works its way into religious leadership. In fact, I learned more and see things in better perspective having left Christianity.

To me you left 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian ) because in Scripture ' bound for hell.... ' is simply bound for mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the peaceful sleeping dead.
Jesus and the OT both teach 'sleep in hell '(aka grave ) John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
When the Bible was translated into English the word Gehenna was translated as: hell fire.
Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
So, 'Gehenna' is a fitting word for destruction, such as Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35 says the wicked destroyed forever.
Christendom gives the choice of: living forever in heaven or burning forever.
Whereas, Jesus taught that humble or meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11.
Jesus will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Humanity will see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' according to Revelation 22:2; Ezekiel 47:12.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev.22:20 for Jesus to come!
Come and undo all the damage Adam and Satan brought to Earth, to humanity.

Gospel writer Luke forewarned us about bad religious rulership at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes those bad religious rulers as wrong.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, but isn't Jesus and his teachings without politics and ego _____

 

[Jainarayan]

To me you left 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian ) because in Scripture ' bound for hell.... ' is simply bound for mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the peaceful sleeping dead.
Jesus and the OT both teach 'sleep in hell '(aka grave ) John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
When the Bible was translated into English the word Gehenna was translated as: hell fire.
Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
So, 'Gehenna' is a fitting word for destruction, such as Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35 says the wicked destroyed forever.
Christendom gives the choice of: living forever in heaven or burning forever.
Whereas, Jesus taught that humble or meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11.
Jesus will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Humanity will see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' according to Revelation 22:2; Ezekiel 47:12.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev.22:20 for Jesus to come!
Come and undo all the damage Adam and Satan brought to Earth, to humanity.

Gospel writer Luke forewarned us about bad religious rulership at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes those bad religious rulers as wrong.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, but isn't Jesus and his teachings without politics and ego _____

I think you missed my sarcasm. You can quote scripture until Lord Kalki comes, but I left Christianity because it doesn’t make sense to me any more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Leather Queens of Phobos do. Simple, really.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jesus taught at Matthew 12:32; Luke 12:10 there is an un-forgivable sin, and to Not repent (practice sin - Hebrews 10:26) then yes one could then loose out on one's salvation - Matthew 24:13

Yes, God judges one's moral character by His standards of right and wrong.
In other words, God's judgement on matters is already recorded in Scripture for all to read.
God forces nor makes anyone follow His standards, but if one want to live forever then one should obey God.
2 Peter 3:9 is clear ' repent ' or ' perish' ( perish as in being destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22 )

Unless you know Biden's heart, it's all theory. I have a feeling it's because he's the president not so much him as a person.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To me you left 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian ) because in Scripture ' bound for hell.... ' is simply bound for mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the peaceful sleeping dead.
Jesus and the OT both teach 'sleep in hell '(aka grave ) John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
When the Bible was translated into English the word Gehenna was translated as: hell fire.
Gehenna was a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
So, 'Gehenna' is a fitting word for destruction, such as Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35 says the wicked destroyed forever.
Christendom gives the choice of: living forever in heaven or burning forever.
Whereas, Jesus taught that humble or meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11.
Jesus will bring ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Humanity will see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' according to Revelation 22:2; Ezekiel 47:12.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev.22:20 for Jesus to come!
Come and undo all the damage Adam and Satan brought to Earth, to humanity.

Gospel writer Luke forewarned us about bad religious rulership at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes those bad religious rulers as wrong.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, but isn't Jesus and his teachings without politics and ego _____

Can I ask. Can people "just" leave christianity (leave christ) without having a big vendetta or deep conspiracy behind it?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think you missed my sarcasm. You can quote scripture until Lord Kalki comes, but I left Christianity because it doesn’t make sense to me any more than the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Leather Queens of Phobos do. Simple, really.

I wonder if today's disabled world makes sense to you _______
To me what makes sense is that today's problems are beyond mankind's ability to solve.
To me what only makes sense is that there will be divine involvement into mankind's affairs.
Through Jesus there is coming healing for earth's nations, and to me that is good news.

 

[Jainarayan]

Can I ask. Can people "just" leave christianity (leave christ) without having a big vendetta or deep conspiracy behind it?

Ooh! I can answer that! Pick me, pick me!

Yes... I’m one example. No vendetta, no bitterness, no “damage”, just didn’t make sense.

Now then... if you read around the internet, mostly Facebook and Reddit (yeah, I know) there are A LOT of bitter “damaged” hurt people who have grave grievances against Christianity.

But whereas the theology, soteriology, ontology, don’t make sense to me I have no problem with Jesus as a saint, prophet, teacher, guru, yogi. If it were only his teachings (he really didn’t say much different than Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita) I don’t think Christianity would have such bad press as it does. It’s a pity, really. I don’t know how many more people are in my category... I think not many.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can I ask. Can people "just" leave christianity (leave christ) without having a big vendetta or deep conspiracy behind it?

This isn't exactly what you are after but......
Yup ! I had No vendetta, etc. in leaving 'Christendom' I just liked Ecclesiastes 1:4 that 'Earth abides forever'.
So, to me I did Not leave Christianity but 'came to Christianity' by leaving 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian )
My aunt said about my church schooling 'how nice'. I said more than nice for me it was wonderful. No problems.
However, Church taught Earth would be destroyed. School taught Earth will be destroyed.
I simply liked Jesus' promise that meek people will inherit the Earth.
I like the idea of staying and living forever on Earth instead of going to Heaven.
A beautiful paradisical Earth as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
Happy to read Heaven is for people like those of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18

 

[Jainarayan]

I wonder if today's disabled world makes sense to you _______
To me what makes sense is that today's problems are beyond mankind's ability to solve.
To me what only makes sense is that there will be divine involvement into mankind's affairs.
Through Jesus there is coming healing for earth's nations, and to me that is good news.

Yes it does make sense... the ills of the world are due to karmic effects. Individual karma and possibly collective, though I’m iffy on the idea of collective karma. God does not micromanage the world. There will be no divine involvement in mankind’s affairs. What is he waiting for? The question of why does a benevolent God let evil and suffering occur is a result of believing in an all-powerful, controlling creator God. If God can intervene but won’t, he’s not so benevolent. If God can’t intervene, he’s not so all-powerful. In either case he’s ineffectual and impotent. Or doesn’t give a crap. Let people’s actions decide their fates, punishments, rewards and then the state of the world makes sense. If you want to acknowledge ‘sin’ then it’s their personal sins not a sin committed by two proto-humans in a mythological age.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This isn't exactly what you are after but......
Yup ! I had No vendetta, etc. in leaving 'Christendom' I just liked Ecclesiastes 1:4 that 'Earth abides forever'.
So, to me I did Not leave Christianity but 'came to Christianity' by leaving 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian )
My aunt said about my church schooling 'how nice'. I said more than nice for me it was wonderful. No problems.
However, Church taught Earth would be destroyed. School taught Earth will be destroyed.
I simply liked Jesus' promise that meek people will inherit the Earth.
I like the idea of staying and living forever on Earth instead of going to Heaven.
A beautiful paradisical Earth as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
Happy to read Heaven is for people like those of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18

Hm. What I mean is when other people leave christ, do you feel They need to have a vendetta or a big deep problem with christ to justify why they are leaving (in this case it seems for their detriment rather their benefit)?

Can people Just Leave without having a "story"?

When people say they leave christianity, christiandom, JW, whatever, they mean they left christ and god at its foundation.

They left christ.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ooh! I can answer that! Pick me, pick me!

Yes... I’m one example. No vendetta, no bitterness, no “damage”, just didn’t make sense.

Now then... if you read around the internet, mostly Facebook and Reddit (yeah, I know) there are A LOT of bitter “damaged” hurt people who have grave grievances against Christianity.

But whereas the theology, soteriology, ontology, don’t make sense to me I have no problem with Jesus as a saint, prophet, teacher, guru, yogi. If it were only his teachings (he really didn’t say much different than Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita) I don’t think Christianity would have such bad press as it does. It’s a pity, really. I don’t know how many more people are in my category... I think not many.

Haha. Not too many. I'd probably close behind you. I left because of the theology: blood sacrifice, deity/creator, and dogma discriminations. For me, though, I just walked out. If I go pass the church, I'll do the sign of the cross, remember my baptism, and keep right on running. I "got it" but it made me feel icky inside.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This isn't exactly what you are after but......
Yup ! I had No vendetta, etc. in leaving 'Christendom' I just liked Ecclesiastes 1:4 that 'Earth abides forever'.
So, to me I did Not leave Christianity but 'came to Christianity' by leaving 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian )
My aunt said about my church schooling 'how nice'. I said more than nice for me it was wonderful. No problems.
However, Church taught Earth would be destroyed. School taught Earth will be destroyed.
I simply liked Jesus' promise that meek people will inherit the Earth.
I like the idea of staying and living forever on Earth instead of going to Heaven.
A beautiful paradisical Earth as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah.
Happy to read Heaven is for people like those of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18

I guess a distinct way to put it:

Many people left christ himself with or without Christendom.

Christendom does not need to be the "problem" behind why people leave christ. People just do.

Why do they need a story?

 

[Windwalker]

No different than any other reporting agency out there.

News commentary and opinion shows, and actual news are two different things. I think the question is, do Fox viewers understand the difference, or do they take opinion shows as facts, because they like the person saying what they like to hear and just trust that what they are saying is all real news?

Is Tucker Carlson, for instance, news, or spew? The spellings are similar, but different things.

 

[Windwalker]

I don't think that Jesus would give a hoot for Catholicism.

I'm pretty sure you'd find him LHAO at fundamentalism though.

 

[Twilight Hue]

News commentary and opinion shows, and actual news are two different things. I think the question is, do Fox viewers understand the difference, or do they take opinion shows as facts, because they like the person saying what they like to hear and just trust that what they are saying is all real news?

Is Tucker Carlson, for instance, news, or spew? The spellings are similar, but different things.

It's all talking heads now, and the local news is regimented to say the exact same thing simultaneously throughout the network.

Like this gem such as with Sinclair ....

 

[Windwalker]

It's all talking heads now, and the local news is regimented to say the exact same thing simultaneously throughout the network.

That's not true. Fox news actually does have a real new program, with those like Chris Wallace. The rest of it, is just nonsense on the level of a Rush Limbaugh show.