Catholic church and condoms

[sandandfoam]

The Catholic Church have come out against a Government initiative to reduce the price of condoms in this country.
This article that i got from here Retro :: The Clockwork Chartophylax
expresses my view perfectly.
I'm on exactly the same page as the author. Brilliant.


During my lunchtime browse through the Irish Times – I came across an article (the online version is behind the Time’s ridiculous pay wall) that actually made me check what decade it was.

 

[rheff78]

Unfortunatley the writer does not know what he's talking about. The Catholic Church believes that sex is used for one purpose, to procreate. If you do something that would hinder such act, it is not right. Hence, wearing condoms or taking the pill or any otehr form of birth control is not allowed. People could practice natural family planning for this. Regardless of your feelings about this, it is the Church's stance.

 

[sandandfoam]

They can have whatever stance they want.
They have no business whatsoever sticking their noses into the running of this country. If the government want to pass out free condoms who are these people to be condemning it.

 

[rheff78]

They can have whatever stance they want.
They have no business whatsoever sticking their noses into the running of this country. If the government want to pass out free condoms who are these people to be condemning it.

They have a voice too. Are there opinions not as important as others? Ireland is a Catholic (and part of my ancestry BTW, just thought I'd throw that in), so why not voice thier concerns. Unless this was done in Northern Ireland. But I thought most Protestant religions shared the same thought about birth control, I could be wrong about that.

 

[sandandfoam]

They have a voice too. Are there opinions not as important as others? Ireland is a Catholic (and part of my ancestry BTW, just thought I'd throw that in), so why not voice thier concerns. Unless this was done in Northern Ireland. But I thought most Protestant religions shared the same thought about birth control, I could be wrong about that.

Their opinions are not important to any except their flock. We live in a Republic not a Theocracy. There is no other religious organisation in this country that tries to interfere in citizens lives like the Catholic Church. If they did I would be giving out about them too. Complete seperation of Church and State.

 

[Willamena]

Unfortunatley the writer does not know what he's talking about. The Catholic Church believes that sex is used for one purpose, to procreate. If you do something that would hinder such act, it is not right. Hence, wearing condoms or taking the pill or any otehr form of birth control is not allowed. People could practice natural family planning for this. Regardless of your feelings about this, it is the Church's stance.

"Procreation" is not an act, but an event. What the Church is striving to unhinder is an "act of God," not of man.

 

[sandandfoam]

"Procreation" is not an act, but an event. What the Church is striving to unhinder is an "act of God," not of man.

Excellent. Never thought of it like that before.
I'll send furballs tomorrow when I'm replenished (too much good stuff posted today!)

 

[Quiddity]

Here you go:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/catholic/60763-birth-control-catholic-church.html

 

[wednesday]

Since when has the church cared more about "social reality" more than enforcing 'the good book'? The reality is that the vast majority of people have sex for pleasure.

What is the Churches stance on AIDS and concreception in South Africa? Would they rather accept that they cannot stop people having sex and control a virus, or ban concraceptives and let the virus spread through generations?

 

[Ratiocinative]

They have a voice too. Are there opinions not as important as others? Ireland is a Catholic (and part of my ancestry BTW, just thought I'd throw that in), so why not voice thier concerns. Unless this was done in Northern Ireland. But I thought most Protestant religions shared the same thought about birth control, I could be wrong about that.

In the Bible the only limitations God has placed on sexual activity is that it must be within the confines of the marriage. There is nothing wrong with having sex just for fun as long as it is within your marriage. Any method of birth control that prevents fertilization is also fine.

 

[gnostic]

I'd simply call it irresponsible. The church, I mean. Such church policy is archaic.

Perhaps the Catholic Church should foot the bills for childcare, schooling, sexual-related diseases, HIV/AID, etc. Then we can all die of starvation through population explosion. Catholic Church seems to have exhaustible funds.

It is silly and archaic. If you don't want them to have abortions, then people should be able to use the pills and condoms, otherwise they should allow for abortions. Stupid old men in grotesque robes who don't live in the real world, shouldn't be making decision for everyone.

Popes and cardinals are hypocrites. Jesus and his disciples went without expensive robes and palaces, but since the formation of orthodox churches, these church leaders live it up, demonstrate the hypocrisy and corruption.

 

[Mister Emu]

The reality is that the vast majority of people have sex for pleasure.

Therefore?

Would they rather accept that they cannot stop people having sex and control a virus, or ban concraceptives and let the virus spread through generations?

Why do I have to say this every time a debate about the Church's stance on contraceptives comes up? If they aren't listening to the Church about fornication/adultery, why would they care what the Church says about condoms?

In the Bible the only limitations God has placed on sexual activity is that it must be within the confines of the marriage.

The Bible admits it doesn't contain everything about Jesus's time on earth...

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen

 

[Smoke]

Hence, wearing condoms or taking the pill or any otehr form of birth control is not allowed.

Condoms might be permissible in a very limited way:

Catholic ethicists are divided over whether it's permissible to artificially inseminate a wife with her husband's sperm, she said. Although conservative theologians once rejected the practice, some now say it can be done if the semen is collected during intercourse using a condom with a tiny hole that makes it open to the possibility of conception.

Source: Catholics look to ease the moral, religious pain of infertility​

 

[Smoke]

Why do I have to say this every time a debate about the Church's stance on contraceptives comes up? If they aren't listening to the Church about fornication/adultery, why would they care what the Church says about condoms?

The problem is that the Church tries to make it more difficult for people to get condoms, regardless of whether they accept the Church's teachings.

 

[Francine]

The problem is that the Church tries to make it more difficult for people to get condoms, regardless of whether they accept the Church's teachings.

I find the word "condom" to be vulgar and crude. Here's my top ten alternative names for the condom:

1. Child-proof Lid

2. Dick C. Cup

3. Banana Bandana

4. ****-A-Doodle-Don't

5. Hold the Mayo

6. Spooge Scrooge

7. Surge protector

8. Uterus Excluderous

9. Wanger Hangar

10. Zuccini Beanie

 

[sandandfoam]

The problem is that the Church tries to make it more difficult for people to get condoms, regardless of whether they accept the Church's teachings.

That's the point. Let them tell their flock whatever they want. They have no business involving themselves in the governance of a country.

 

[wednesday]

Therefore?


Why do I have to say this every time a debate about the Church's stance on contraceptives comes up? If they aren't listening to the Church about fornication/adultery, why would they care what the Church says about condoms?

Therefore, since people are not ready or do not want a family, they use contraceptives. I thought that was kinda obvious?

Its also a bit hard to avoid the church these days and they should as stated by stephenw preach to their own flock, but i doubt we will ever see that.

 

[doppelganger]

Less condoms = more abortions and more STDs. The RC Church needs to figure out its priorities. Is it "pro-life" or "anti-sex"?

 

[Mister Emu]

Therefore, since people are not ready or do not want a family, they use contraceptives. I thought that was kinda obvious?

Thought there might be something in regards to the Church's teachings behind the statement...

Is it "pro-life" or "anti-sex"?

It is anti-sin...

 

[doppelganger]

It is anti-sin...

As its illustrious history indicates . . .