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Catholic Officials on Edge After Reports of Priests Using Grindr

Stevicus

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Catholic Officials on Edge After Reports of Priests Using Grindr

The reports hit the Roman Catholic Church in rapid succession: Analyses of cellphone data obtained by a conservative Catholic blog seemed to show priests at multiple levels of the Catholic hierarchy in both the United States and the Vatican using the gay hookup app Grindr.

The first report, published late last month, led to the resignation of Monsignor Jeffrey Burrill, the former general secretary of the U.S. bishops’ conference. The second, posted online days later, made claims about the use of Grindr by unnamed people in unspecified rectories in the Archdiocese of Newark, New Jersey. The third, published days after that, claimed that in 2018 at least 32 mobile devices emitted dating app data signals from within areas of Vatican City that are off-limits to tourists.

The reports by the blog, The Pillar, have unnerved the leadership of the American Catholic Church and have introduced a potentially powerful new weapon into the culture war between supporters of Pope Francis and his conservative critics: cellphone data, which many users assume to be unavailable to the general public.

“When there is reporting out there that claims to expose activity like this in parishes around the country and also on Vatican grounds, that is a five-alarm fire for church officials, there is no doubt about it,” said John Gehring, the Catholic program director at Faith in Public Life, a progressive advocacy group.

The reports have put church officials in an awkward position: Priests take a vow of celibacy that is in no way flexible, and the downloading or use of dating apps by clergy members is inconsistent with that vow. But officials are also deeply uncomfortable with the use of cellphone data to publicly police priests’ behavior. Vatican officials said they met with representatives from the blog in June but would not publicly respond to its reports.

“If someone who has made promise of celibacy or a vow of chastity has a dating app on his or her phone, that is asking for trouble,” said Cardinal Joseph W. Tobin of Newark at a Zoom panel organized by Georgetown University. (He declined to be interviewed for this article.)

“I would also say that I think there are very questionable ethics around the collection of this data of people who allegedly may have broken their promises,” he said.

The only app explicitly named in the reports has been Grindr, which is used almost exclusively by gay and bisexual men, although The Pillar has made vague references to other apps it says are used by heterosexuals. Only one of the reports directly links an app to a specific person, Burrill.

The reports have been criticized by Catholic liberals for tying the general use of Grindr to studies that show minors sometimes use the app as well. That conflation of homosexuality and pedophilia is part of a long-standing effort by Catholic conservatives to blame the church sex abuse crisis on the presence of gay men in the priesthood.

The reports have raised a host of questions: How did The Pillar obtain the cellphone data? How did it analyze the data, which is commercially available in an anonymous form, to identify individual app users? How widespread is the use of dating apps among Catholic priests, and how much has The Pillar been able to learn about specific individuals?

The editors of The Pillar, J.D. Flynn and Ed Condon, have refused to answer any of those questions and did not respond to a request seeking comment for this story. They have also declined interview requests from other news media.

In a podcast, Flynn and Condon said their work was motivated by a desire to expose a secretive culture of wrongdoing within the church.

“Immoral and illicit sexual behavior on the part of clerics who are bound to celibacy, but also on the part of other church leaders, could lead to a broad sense of tolerance for any number or kinds of sexual sins,” Flynn said on the podcast.

They said Newark was the only American diocese they wrote about because it was once led by former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, who was defrocked in 2019 and charged last month with sexually assaulting a child in Massachusetts in 1974.

But their decision to investigate the use of a gay dating app in suburban New Jersey, instead of a city with a large gay population, has raised suspicion that their real goal may have been to undermine Tobin, an ally of Pope Francis.

Flynn and Condon’s former employer, the conservative Catholic News Agency, published a report the day before the first post on The Pillar that said it had been approached in 2018 by “a person concerned with reforming the Catholic clergy.”

That person offered them similar cellphone data and also provided specific information about a nationally prominent priest who was not Burrill, the executive editor of the agency, Alejandro Bermudez, said. He declined to name that priest.

At that time, Flynn and Condon were both editors at the agency, but Bermudez said he did not discuss the offer with them.

Bermudez said he thought the data was accurate but he ultimately declined to accept it because he thought it had been gathered in a “sketchy” way. He also said he thought using it to expose the private lives of priests would not be an effective or ethical way to reform the church.

The Pillar’s reports have been based on what it describes as “a very large data set” derived from data signals from multiple smartphone apps that were collected over two 26-week periods, one in 2018, and one in late 2019 and early 2020.

Until 2020, Grindr routinely provided user location data to freewheeling online ad exchanges, where it could be harvested by data brokers.

In January, Grindr was fined $11.7 million by the Norwegian Data Protection Authority for its history of providing user data, including precise locations, to advertising companies that later shared it with potentially more than 100 other entities.

In a statement, Grindr said it was trying to determine how The Pillar had acquired its user data. But it said those efforts were complicated by the writers’ “vague and incomplete descriptions of their work.”

“What is clear is that this work involved much more than just a small blog,” Grindr said in its statement.

The complexity and size of the data set makes it likely that The Pillar’s source had money and analytical skills, said Ashkan Soltani, a former technology adviser to the White House and the Federal Trade Commission.

Cellphone app data is often purchased from data brokers by corporations and political groups who analyze it to determine patterns of behavior. They can also use location filters to find users of a certain app in a certain location, like Grindr users within the compact borders of Vatican City.

Some firms specialize in de-anonymizing cellphone data, and a user’s identity can sometimes be determined by following their movements, Soltani said. That may be how The Pillar identified Burrill, who the blog said it tracked to his home and office as well as to gay bars and a bathhouse.

“This is a cottage industry, and all of this stuff is really available out there,” Soltani said. “There is a risk for anyone who uses these apps. This could potentially happen to anyone.”

The reports have set the Catholic Church on edge.

Matteo Bruni, a Vatican spokesperson, said that Vatican officials, including the powerful secretary of state, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, met with “representatives from The Pillar” on June 17.

But he said the Vatican had decided not to respond to the report and did not say whether it planned to investigate the claims. It is unclear how church officials might punish the use of a cellphone app, if The Pillar’s reports were to be confirmed.

In Newark, church officials instructed priests not to speak to journalists. Several who spoke, on condition of anonymity, expressed dismay at the use of cellphone data to track priests. Even lay leaders were reluctant to discuss the controversy on the record, although not many parishioners appear to be aware of it.

The Pillar has not said whether it plans to publish more reports using cellphone data, but priests in other dioceses have waited anxiously to see whether it would publish anything about their communities.

Father Bob Bonnot, executive director of the Association of U.S. Catholic Priests, said the use of cellphone data to track the movement of Burrill had deepened a sense of vulnerability many priests feel.

“It can be terribly threatening,” he said. “It can make all priests uncomfortable and worried.”

Flynn and Condon are canon lawyers well known for their work at the Catholic News Agency, which is owned by the right-leaning Eternal Word Television Network, and their ties to conservatives in the church.

The Pillar provided information about its findings to the Archdiocese of Newark after church officials spent several weeks asking for details, said Maria Margiotta, an archdiocese spokesperson. She said church officials were reviewing the findings.

“It is not acceptable for any member of the clergy to use any app, social media or website in a way that is inconsistent with church teachings and their own religious vows,” she said. “We are committed to protecting the faithful, and when we learn of immoral behavior or misconduct, we immediately respond appropriately to address concerns.”

I had never heard of The Pillar, although the article raises some interesting questions:

The reports have raised a host of questions: How did The Pillar obtain the cellphone data? How did it analyze the data, which is commercially available in an anonymous form, to identify individual app users? How widespread is the use of dating apps among Catholic priests, and how much has The Pillar been able to learn about specific individuals?

The editors of The Pillar, J.D. Flynn and Ed Condon, have refused to answer any of those questions and did not respond to a request seeking comment for this story. They have also declined interview requests from other news media.
 

Estro Felino

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exchemist

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Only if you hate Catholicism and wish to see the Church destroyed.
On the contrary, I want to see it forced to abandon this absurd preoccupation with sexual morality which (i) puts so many people off the church and (ii) leads to people with dodgy sexual drives becoming priests, cf. all the abuse scandals of recent years. We need married priests and women priests - and no doubt a sprinkling of gay priests too - and just get away from these hangups that St. Paul has bequeathed Christianity.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I understand that it might amaze you guys, but in Rome we all know how many priests are stable attenders of gay bathouses, gay pubs, gay bars.
Aboveboard. Everybody knows.
In the very same building of the Congregation for the evangelization of peoples (Vatican territory) there is the largest gay spa in Italy.
Preti gay, la doppia vita dei sacerdoti all'ombra del Vaticano: saune e incontri via chat - Il Fatto Quotidiano
I wouldn't have any problems with that if they didn't keep on harping on the evils of being openly gay or trying to turn people against the notion of marriage equality for all. I don't see why gay priests should hide their attraction to men. Isn't this whole Christendom thing supposed to be about love?
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
What do you expect when you have a bunch of men who are not allowed to marry and have sex. No one should be surprised.
The one variant that's pretty common around here is parish priests falling in love with their housekeepers, although acknowledging the chilren they father tends to be a big no-no. Apparently in these situations, owning up to what one has done and trying to do right by one's loved ones is a big red flag for the official Church.
 

Estro Felino

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I wouldn't have any problems with that if they didn't keep on harping on the evils of being openly gay or trying to turn people against the notion of marriage equality for all. I don't see why gay priests should hide their attraction to men.
You are speaking with a Christian who believes that sexual preferences are irrelevant, as for being a Christian .:);)
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
You are speaking with a Christian who believes that sexual preferences are irrelevant, as for being a Christian .:);)
The Church's problem isn't with sexual preferences, but acting on them. That's the entire problem - they only care for "love" in its most abstract, bloodless, inhumane form, but actively suppress the celebration of the real, physical love we have for real, physically existing human beings.
 

Vinayaka

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The one variant that's pretty common around here is parish priests falling in love with their housekeepers, although acknowledging the chilren they father tends to be a big no-no. Apparently in these situations, owning up to what one has done and trying to do right by one's loved ones is a big red flag for the official Church.
I remember going to a small monastery in my city when I was a courier driver, and the door was answered by a housekeeper. That's when I first learned they even have housekeepers, and my immediate thought was, "Can't you make your own bed, wash your own dishes, sweep the floor, or do laundry? Heck, most men can." But then, up to that time, my only experience with monks was the Hindu and Buddhist varieties, where keeping a housekeeper would be out of the question.
 

Estro Felino

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Premium Member
The Church's problem isn't with sexual preferences, but acting on them. That's the entire problem - they only care for "love" in its most abstract, bloodless, inhumane form, but actively suppress the celebration of the real, physical love we have for real, physically existing human beings.

I agree.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I remember going to a small monastery in my city when I was a courier driver, and the door was answered by a housekeeper. That's when I first learned they even have housekeepers, and my immediate thought was, "Can't you make your own bed, wash your own dishes, sweep the floor, or do laundry? Heck, most men can." But then, up to that time, my only experience with monks was the Hindu and Buddhist varieties, where keeping a housekeeper would be out of the question.
It's worth keeping in mind that in Central and Western Europe, abbeys weren't simple spiritual retreats - more often than not in their history, they acted as landholders and feudal lords in their own right. Their attitude towards physical work reflects that, although some monastic orders do acknowledge the virtue of carrying out their own handiwork.
 

Vinayaka

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It's worth keeping in mind that in Central and Western Europe, abbeys weren't simple spiritual retreats - more often than not in their history, they acted as landholders and feudal lords in their own right. Their attitude towards physical work reflects that, although some orders to acknowledge the virtue of carrying out their own handiwork.
Yeah, I learned. I'm just an ignorant sot when it comes to this stuff. I have to get out more.
 

Stevicus

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I understand that it might amaze you guys, but in Rome we all know how many priests are stable attenders of gay bathouses, gay pubs, gay bars.
Aboveboard. Everybody knows.
In the very same building of the Congregation for the evangelization of peoples (Vatican territory) there is the largest gay spa in Italy.
Preti gay, la doppia vita dei sacerdoti all'ombra del Vaticano: saune e incontri via chat - Il Fatto Quotidiano

I have a friend who was stationed in Italy when he was in the Army, and he told me that he heard of churches in Italy which have a ritual where the nuns take turns putting their shoes outside their door at night. The priest then leaves his shoes outside the door, then goes in and has sex with the nun, then leaves.
 

exchemist

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The one variant that's pretty common around here is parish priests falling in love with their housekeepers, although acknowledging the chilren they father tends to be a big no-no. Apparently in these situations, owning up to what one has done and trying to do right by one's loved ones is a big red flag for the official Church.
I knew a girl once who told me while she was living in Rome she got to know quite a few seminarians and recent ordinands and was actually invited by one of them to become his housekeeper. He meant in the, er, biblical sense;). She was shocked but to him it seemed to be almost normal. The hypocrisy over sexuality is rampant. They would be far better to allow married priests as other denominations do - and as the Catholic church itself did until the Middle Ages. I suppose one practical problem is the cost of families, but it seems to me the problem of pervy priests is far worse.
 
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