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Catholic Officials on Edge After Reports of Priests Using Grindr
- Thread starter Stevicus
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It is unfortunate that the Catholic Church made a law out of what was suppose to be a choice.
Then again, just as in the Jewish times, a Jew is the Jew that is of the heart, not of the flesh and a Christian is a Christian when it is of the heart and not of a profession.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think nuns should also have the option as they can be both married and spiritual at the same time. OTOH, within convents, no doubt that could be a problem, but then maybe coed convents with married couples could be a solution much like ashrams within Hinduism.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Blame Paul: I Corinthians 7[32] I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife--
34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband.
There are other positions of ministry within the Church that don't necessitate celibacy, such as the deaconate. But with that being said, I do agree with you that an option would probably be better for the priesthood as well.
It is about the love of God and his commandments. About the universal gift of redemption won by Christ on the cross. The message of Christianity is the universal offer of good standing before God. Good standing that is won by faith, good works and the hard struggle against sin.
Nuns, just like monks and fairs, had the option. They chose to renounce marriage and live an ascetic life of prayer and contemplation.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't see it as just being an either/or situation, so I think they should have the option of leading an ascetic life but being married if they choose, as ashrams usually have.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Considering what else is in the news right now, it's perverse that this is what has Catholic officials "on edge."
Canada: pressure on Catholic church to compensate victims of residential schools abuses
LOL... no... I don't blame him but rather how people take one thing which wasn't a law and make a law when it wasn't supposed to be a law. We have to continue reading.
36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age*, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.
and again:
36 But if a man thinks that he’s treating his fiancée improperly and will inevitably give in to his passion, let him marry her as he wishes. It is not a sin. 37 But if he has decided firmly not to marry and there is no urgency and he can control his passion, he does well not to marry. 38 So the person who marries his fiancée does well, and the person who doesn’t marry does even better.
So it isn't "you can't marry" but rather...
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein hewas called.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Priests do, secular folks less so.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If everyone knows, why do they still consider the church to be their moral authority?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It's a wealth thing.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, I agree but the situation with the early bishops and priests in terms of education, patriarchal society, and the need to travel, presented insurmountable problems back then. Very few women could read, the society did not expect or want women to be equal to men, and the need to go from one village to another at times would create a serious problem for women especially.
For an example of the 2nd item: I Timothy 2[12]: But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
So, what's probably happening is that you're looking at this issue from post Reformation eyes that was established way after the scriptures were written, thus the conditions were quite different.
Isn't it amazing that I'm saying that you are way too modern?
With that, the Catholic Church has no moral ability to tell people not to have sex outside of marriage etc.
The only way that moral authority can be regained is first to allow Western Rite Priests to marry as Eastern Rite Priests now can. Of course there's other steps such as zero tolerance for abuse of minors and zero tolerance for coverups of that abuse. Once the church hierarchy practices what it preaches, then they'll have some "street cred" in this area.
Homosexuality is not immoral
In the case of the Roman Church it is self destruction, but no . . . . they still can rely on the herds of lemmings to keep them afloat.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's still around. Every bishop in my area lives quite extravagantly with their own servants, drivers, and housekeeping staff in their residences.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
According to catholicism, it is.Homosexuality is not immoral
It is not, actually.