stvdv
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Makes sense. Guy gay bar is most safe
Not easy for those following the Bible:
1 lady wink might be the last they get to see
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Catholic Officials on Edge After Reports of Priests Using Grindr
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Not easy for those following the Bible:
1 lady wink might be the last they get to see
Yes, I agree but the situation with the early bishops and priests in terms of education, patriarchal society, and the need to travel, presented insurmountable problems back then. Very few women could read, the society did not expect or want women to be equal to men, and the need to go from one village to another at times would create a serious problem for women especially.
For an example of the 2nd item: I Timothy 2[12]: But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
So, what's probably happening is that you're looking at this issue from post Reformation eyes that was established way after the scriptures were written, thus the conditions were quite different.
Isn't it amazing that I'm saying that you are way too modern?
Can I agree totally with you but disagree?
Yes, all of those problems were real. I assume Peter, who was married, understood the difficulty of it all as well as the some of the other Apostles...
BUT....
It certainly didn't change what Paul said that it wasn't a "requirement" but a "best scenario"... but man has this way of making laws where there isn't any law and thus, we have called priests who are definitely called but do not have the gift of celibacy.
Father Heathen
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Yeah, yeah... It's the sexual acts specifically that are considered "sinful", but what do you think goes on with grindr and bath houses?
Lott's wife looked back and she was turned into a pillar of society.
I wonder if the Lott story (about Sodom, etc.) was based on the charred bodies of Vesuvius at Herculaneum?
RE: Priests using a Gay hookup site:
At least they have a hobby, though it is banned by scripture and their church. Yet, with consensual sex with other Gay men, at least they leave the poor beleaguered boys alone. The Catholic church was wrong, all these years to hide molesting priests (makes them a party to their actions), and wronger still to declare bankruptcy to hide their mammon from their victims that need compensation.
The unnatural act of celibacy undoubtedly results in priests who molest little boys and seek Gay sex.
Celibacy was required in the Middle Age and Dark Ages as plagues swept Europe. It was because the churches didn't want money going to heirs, it wanted to keep all funds of their clergy.
Can I agree totally with you but disagree?
Yes, all of those problems were real. I assume Peter, who was married, understood the difficulty of it all as well as the some of the other Apostles...
BUT....
It certainly didn't change what Paul said that it wasn't a "requirement" but a "best scenario"... but man has this way of making laws where there isn't any law and thus, we have called priests who are definitely called but do not have the gift of celibacy.
At least they had each other.
Just because they don't follow their own advise doesn't mean that they won't offer that advise to the world.Hahahaha. This could be hilarious. Anything that makes it impossible for the Church to instruct people on their sex lives with any credibility has to be a good thing.
Consider Sarah Palin's daughter (the poster girl for celibacy), who had several kids with several men while unmarried.
Forgive my ignorance but what is a "secular clergy"? It sounds like a bit of an oxymoron in the context of Catholicism.
exchemist
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Would that be the unimprovably named "Bristols" Palin? Or have I got that wrong?
Secular clergy are clerics who are not members of any religious order. They live in the world (secular) and do not take religious vows. Your typical parish priest is a secular cleric.
Regular clergy are clerics who are members of a religious order. (the Jesuits, the Benedictines, the Franciscans etc). They are 'regular' (regula) in that they live under a religious rule. They are regulated by a religious rule. They take the religious vows of chastity, poverty and obedience.
Christianity is not about sexual acts between consenting people.
Vice can lead to sin, but homosexuality can be experienced in a monogamous relationship.
Like army intelligence?
firedragon
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I cant remember where but I read 7% of all men are gay. So I think its only natural that 7% of priests are gay themselves. Yet now I am wondering if that is relevant.
At a glance the editors of the blog 'the Pillar' obviously represent support for the conservative Roman Curia through various conservative publications which have been taken over from more moderate publications (Catholic News Agency, National Catholic Register etc all becoming the property of Mother Angelica's crowd,EWTN. There have always been homosexuals within the priesthood.
“The problem for heterosexual young men is not the gay culture of seminaries, but the rule of obligatory celibacy,” McBrien said. “That genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in. The Roman Catholic Church will have to address the problem of celibacy openly and objectively or the priest shortage will only worsen.” Father Richard McBrien
“The problem for heterosexual young men is not the gay culture of seminaries, but the rule of obligatory celibacy,” McBrien said. “That genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in. The Roman Catholic Church will have to address the problem of celibacy openly and objectively or the priest shortage will only worsen.” Father Richard McBrien
Current Christianity deviated drastically from the teachings of Jesus. not to have sex (in the legal context, under marriage first thing and then in a straight way man with a woman) is deviant from the innate nature of Exalted God
The line gets blurry sometimes.
My ex's parish church was run by the Basilian Fathers, a religious order. I don't think that most of the congregation understood the full implications of this.
For instance, it was only after I stopped attending that I found out that the Archdiocese of Toronto's sexual abuse reporting rules didn't apply to that church.
This report is in Italian, unfortunately.
I can sum it up. A former priest speaks that so many people in the Vatican are gay aboveboard.
And high clerics used to invite their male lovers into their rooms.
I can sum it up. A former priest speaks that so many people in the Vatican are gay aboveboard.
And high clerics used to invite their male lovers into their rooms.
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Altfish
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It could do with a serious reformation and learn some ethics and understand what is meant by hypocrisy.
They only go to these places to bring religion to sinners.
It's like the young Baptist man who volunteered to sacrifice himself to sin so he could report back to the group (Las Vegas, sex shows, gambling, etc). It was truly scandalous....good thing he warned everyone.
Yes, no one should join secular clergy. The pacifist army is another organization to avoid. A group of lawyers for honesty is another shady group.