Catholic Vatican banning all Catholics from becoming Freemasons is now confirmed.

[Twilight Hue]

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Any Freemasons out there who are Catholic?

Will you comply with the decree made by the Vatican that you cannot no longer be a member of the Masons?

 

[JustGeorge]

Good think I'm not Catholic!

Though most of the world's Freemasons won't acknowledge me, anyways.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's been a recent scandal about a Freemason leader that has come out exposing a really squalid reality.
A detailed scenario.
The Vatican is trying to distance itself from a world that since the scandal of P2 in 1981 has had a very bad reputation; the connivence with Sicilian Mafia, after the tens and tens of arrests. Some people turned out to be both mobsters and Freemasons. Massoneria | Tutte le news | lavialibera

Good move.
I would kindly invite Catholics to quit the Catholic Church, if they are Freemasons.

 

[Estro Felino]

Will you comply with the decree made by the Vatican that you cannot no longer be a member of the Masons?

Freemasons do anything to hide their membership ...so I really doubt they will comply.
At least here in Italy.
It's very likely they will go on pretending.

 

[Glaurung]

This is hardly new. The Church has forbidden Catholics from being Freemasons since the 18th century.

 

[Estro Felino]

This is hardly new. The Church has forbidden Catholics from being Freemasons since the 18th century.

Yes. Until the fifties or so.
But after that decade, the situation has become more and more unclear and ambiguous on Freemasonry.
Pope Paul VI stated: the fume of Satan has entered the Vatican.
That was in the seventies.

And by the way this demonstrates it: bishop of Terni joins the opening of a Freemasonic clubhouse:

Terni, vescovo dai massoni: i frutti della "dottrina Ravasi"

Il vescovo di Terni Soddu partecipa all'inaugurazione della sede della Massoneria, poi replica stizzito parlando di «equivoco», ma non spiega che cosa ha detto ai "grembiulini". La Bussola intervista il gran maestro Bisi che ammette: la lettera di Ravasi "ai cari fratelli massoni" e la frase di...

lanuovabq.it

What are they called? Houses?

 

[Glaurung]

Yes. Until the fifties or so.
But after that decade, the situation has become more and more unclear and ambiguous on Freemasonry.
Pope Paul VI stated: the fume of Satan has entered the Vatican.
That was in the seventies.

And by the way this demonstrates it: bishop of Terni joins the opening of a Freemasonic clubhouse:

Terni, vescovo dai massoni: i frutti della "dottrina Ravasi"

Il vescovo di Terni Soddu partecipa all'inaugurazione della sede della Massoneria, poi replica stizzito parlando di «equivoco», ma non spiega che cosa ha detto ai "grembiulini". La Bussola intervista il gran maestro Bisi che ammette: la lettera di Ravasi "ai cari fratelli massoni" e la frase di...

lanuovabq.it

What are they called? Houses?

Monsignor Francesco Antonio Soddu, nel frattempo, da poco arrivato nella diocesi di San Valentino, ieri ha annusato il probabile incidente diplomatico e ha pubblicato sul sito della diocesi un irritato comunicato di chiarimento: «In merito all’apertura del nuovo ingresso della sede del GOI a Terni, desta stupore, sconcerto e amarezza la lettura strumentale, volutamente equivocata e fraintesa, della presenza del Vescovo Soddu a tale circostanza. La lettura dei fatti, che non ha neanche tenuto conto dei contenuti di quanto il Vescovo ha detto, travisa totalmente il senso della sua presenza che, non identificandosi con un pensiero differente dalla dottrina Cristiana, ha invece ha avuto l’unico scopo di testimoniare la fedeltà al Vangelo e alla Chiesa, soprattutto in questo tempo del percorso Sinodale che la caratterizza».​

My Italian is weak so perhaps I'm misunderstanding. But what a joke. "The bishop was present because... um... synodal path".

What are they called? Houses?

Lodges.

 

[Estro Felino]

Monsignor Francesco Antonio Soddu, nel frattempo, da poco arrivato nella diocesi di San Valentino, ieri ha annusato il probabile incidente diplomatico e ha pubblicato sul sito della diocesi un irritato comunicato di chiarimento: «In merito all’apertura del nuovo ingresso della sede del GOI a Terni, desta stupore, sconcerto e amarezza la lettura strumentale, volutamente equivocata e fraintesa, della presenza del Vescovo Soddu a tale circostanza. La lettura dei fatti, che non ha neanche tenuto conto dei contenuti di quanto il Vescovo ha detto, travisa totalmente il senso della sua presenza che, non identificandosi con un pensiero differente dalla dottrina Cristiana, ha invece ha avuto l’unico scopo di testimoniare la fedeltà al Vangelo e alla Chiesa, soprattutto in questo tempo del percorso Sinodale che la caratterizza».​

My Italian is weak so perhaps I'm misunderstanding. But what a joke. "The bishop was present because... um... synodal path".

I am Italian and that sentence sounds like the attempt to desperately justify the Bishop's presence in a place whose goals are incompatible with the doctrine of the Faith.
In other words: grasping at straws.

PS: In Italian we say: climbing on mirrors. Which has the exact same meaning.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

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Any Freemasons out there who are Catholic?

Will you comply with the decree made by the Vatican that you cannot no longer be a member of the Masons?

Hasn't this always been the case?

 

[Stevicus]

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Any Freemasons out there who are Catholic?

Will you comply with the decree made by the Vatican that you cannot no longer be a member of the Masons?

I thought the Freemasons already banned Catholics from joining.

Both the Vatican and Freemasonry have been the object of numerous conspiracy theories. A rift such as this, without any obvious reason or rational explanation, will only serve to fuel such theories even more.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Will you comply with the decree made by the Vatican that you cannot no longer be a member of the Masons?

If I was both, I would certainly comply and no longer be a member of the Catholic Church.

If Hinduism told me what I could and could not belong to, I would also no longer be a Hindu.

 

[exchemist]

This is hardly new. The Church has forbidden Catholics from being Freemasons since the 18th century.

Quite.

Move along ladies and gents, nothing to see here..................

 

[exchemist]

If I was both, I would certainly comply and no longer be a member of the Catholic Church.

If Hinduism told me what I could and could not belong to, I would also no longer be a Hindu.

I think the point is the Masons have sort of Deist initiation ritual, which the church considers incompatible with its doctrine.

But it's unenforceable of course, since Masons are not supposed to tell people they are Masons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm happy to be practicing something that has no stipulations, restrictions, or decrees made.

There's something about being your own person whom is free to trail their own unique unfettered path.

I think any religion that is so uncomfortable about itself as to oppose and discourage its members to try other things has some real confidence issues on its own plate.

 

[Estro Felino]

I thought the Freemasons already banned Catholics from joining.

Both the Vatican and Freemasonry have been the object of numerous conspiracy theories. A rift such as this, without any obvious reason or rational explanation, will only serve to fuel such theories even more.

Read the article I posted in post #6.
A Bishop joins the inauguration of a Freemasonic house or whatever they are called.

Well, since the sixties the Vatican's stance has always been ambiguous.
And believe me... Romans don't let anyone dupe them. I have asked certain people "is the Vatican completely devoid of lodges?".
Those people didn't answer me.

They pleaded the fifth...LOL

 

[SalixIncendium]

But it's unenforceable of course, since Masons are not supposed to tell people they are Masons.

Yet it's okay to have it on your license plate.

PA Masonic License Plates - Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania

Instructions and application.

pagrandlodge.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think the point is the Masons have sort of Deist initiation ritual, which the church considers incompatible with its doctrine.

But it's unenforceable of course, since Masons are not supposed to tell people they are Masons.

Except for that fancy Mason trunk ornament placed on the back trunk of their car. Heh.

 

[exchemist]

Yet it's okay to have it on your license plate.

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PA Masonic License Plates - Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania

Instructions and application.

pagrandlodge.org

Well everyone's a bit mad in the States, both the Masons and (most definitely) the Catholics.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think the point is the Masons have sort of Deist initiation ritual, which the church considers incompatible with its doctrine.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.
The most incompatible aspect is that Freemasons love their fellow Freemasons more than other human beings.
They vow loyalty to them.
This is incompatible with Christian teachings. Let alone the Catholic Doctrine of the Faith.

But it's unenforceable of course, since Masons are not supposed to tell people they are Masons.

God knows. And that's what matters.

Secrets are not of God's.
Especially if they are used to deceive, exploit and defraud your neighbor.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm happy to be practicing something that has no stipulations, restrictions, or decrees made.

There's something about being your own person whom is free to trail their own unique unfettered path.

I think any religion that is so uncomfortable about itself as to oppose and discourage its members to try other things has some real confidence issues on its own plate.

Bravo.
One should join a church or a religion, only if it is compatible with their own principles.
That must never be something contrived and unwillingly.