But are you a 63-year-old agnostic theist & freethinker who is in the process of deconstructing from Christianity?
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I see it this way. Of a person wants to believe in an omni god creator, then they must believe their god created everything, including the bad stuff otherwise their god is not omni. Cherry picking the good to massage their belief is, to me, as hypocritical as it gets.
wellwisher
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In the ancient times, there were taboos about eating certain foods like pork or not engaging in certain behavior like eating with unclean hands, which we know today are good food preparation and eating practices. Back then, they did not know about germs on your hands like e-coli, or parasites in undercooked meat, such as pork, or how the red tide can make shell fish poisonous. But through observation, in the school of hard knocks, and correlation, they made taboos; rules, to serve these practical needs.
If you did not listen and you got sick, at a time there was no medicines to help you, the wage of sin; ignoring the taboo, could be death by natural cause and affect, which was run by God; determinism. The Atheist tend to frame this practical system, in a self serving way, and refuse to see these as practical correlations.
The ancient astronomers could accurately predict eclipses and even the path of asteroids, using observation, record keeping and an empirical system based on the gods of astrology. Careful observation and even odd correlation can still work, even if is not supported by the ever changing theories of modern science. They built the pyramids with little in the way of modern technology or science. Modern builders would be handcuffed if they could not use all their pre-harsh methods and machines, but had to improvise, as they built by hand, like the original people.
The life sciences are still stuck at the whims of the gods; statistical methods, which was used back then. The math is new, but the premises of humans not able to know 100%, are the same. However, this superstition still produces results even, if it places variables in a black box, which is sort of weird in this day and age. This backwoods approach is why they cannot get clean results, but have to list all the side affects, to account for the whims of the gods, due to not yet reaching clean cause and affect; determinism.
Another affect that blurs the practical nature of ancient systems, is modern science can compensate for behavior that was once taboo, such as unbridled sexuality; try-sexuality or try anything. Many such behavior has been known to bring disease and had to be made taboo back then, since cause and affect; God, would come back to bite you.
Today. we can cheat this natural cause and affect; certain behavior will cause disease, with medicine that are not natural, but man made. Such behavior is humanly possible, through will and choice, but it is not natural, if it needs manmade made mops to clean up. Encouraging and false framing is more for free market profits, but not for defining natural. Natural should stand without any help, beyond avoidance.
Say there was a disruption in culture due to global warming, where the logistics of modern culture are disrupted. In this hypothetical scenario there is now no organized way, to get all mops needed to clean up after made made behavior, that is not natural. We could rely on the ancient system, to steer the ship, until the lights are turned back on.
Well that is very reasuring isn't it. It is good to know we don't have to worry about suffering or disease, and injustice isn't a problem either, because this is all just a big video game. Very comforting.
Nah, don't buy it. But it is very interesting the lengths to which some people will go to justify a belief in God.
But, do you think it is not what the Bible tells essentially?
Does the Bible say we are living in the Matrix? No, I don't think it does.
The Bible does say a lot of things, often contradicts itself, and can be twisted to say just about anything you want. But I don't believe any of the authors of the Bible had any concept of a virtual world.
Bible tells there is body and soul. There are two levels, flesh ans spirit/soul. If you body dies, it doesn't necessary mean your soul also dies. And it is said we should not fear those who can kill body, but not the soul. That is why I think Bible has the idea of us living in Matrix, which is this "life" that could also be called the first death.
And you should not fear the ones killing the body, but not being able to kill the soul. But rather fear Him being able to destroy both soul and body in Hell.
Matt. 10:28
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 4:24
I disagree with that.
Why not?If you had ANY familiarity or knowledge of Christianity, you would know that it is NOT something that you can get rid of quickly!
In my case it took 1 millisecond. Half a millisecond before I was a Christian, half a millisecond after, I was not anymore.
Ciao
- viole
timothy1027
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It appears to me that you were at least several nanoseconds TOO LATE!