Challenge: Make A Government Run Without Taxes

[Spirit of Light]

Those are still taxes.... All of those have nations have taxes still. You are equivocating.

The following in formation is from this website Complete List of Countries with No Taxes in 2017 - Flag Theory
So if you want to critique someone, it should be the people who made this website and added the info in the first place.

Tax-Free Countries
The Bahamas. The Bahamas imposes no income tax on its residents and receives most of its revenue from tourism and its robust offshore industry. Its residents pay zero tax, regardless of where they earn their income. The government application fee for Bahamas temporary residence is only $1,000, and it is renewable yearly. You can get a long-term or permanent residence if you invest $250,000 in real estate. The Bahamian passport is a surprisingly good travel document – just look at all that visa-free access!

The British Virgin Islands. Though typically recognized for its robust incorporation and fund management industries, the BVI is also home to a number of entrepreneurs from around the world who have planted a flag here to legally avoid high taxes and improve privacy and finance elsewhere. To get a residency permit, you will need to show bank statements that indicate your finance and personal wealth, and pay a $1,000 surety bond.

Brunei. You can obtain residence or permanent resident status in this small jurisdiction nestled on the island of Borneo. Brunei has great incorporation and banking options as well.

The Cayman Islands. This jurisdiction’s financial authorities have made incorporating into their state expensive, and generally, it is best used for fund management, not offshore companies that hold an active business. To live on Grand Cayman, you must have an annual income of nearly $150,000, and invest $500,000 in real estate or local companies (which could be your own company). These requirements are more relaxed if you choose to live in one of the smaller islands.

Monaco. I love this place. The principality has a special place in my heart and visiting there is always an adventure (just avoid the casinos!). The principality bordering France and Italy is part of the gorgeous French Riviera. It doesn’t have an airport, but you can easily get there by train or car, or if you are so inclined, boat or helicopter. We have the full breakdown of what it takes to get residency in Monaco here.

Oman. Oman does not tax personal revenues. Residency permits are limited, the two most common ways are through employment or through an Omani family member. Before applying for residency it is required to obtain a Non-Objection certificate, signed by both the sponsor and the government.

Turks and Caicos. Turks and Caicos have an economic residency program that offers quick residence permits to foreigners who either spend at least $300,000 building a new house or remodeling a distressed property, or who invest at least $750,000 in a company that is majority-owned by locals. Did we mention there is no tax here?

The United Arab Emirates. The United Arab Emirates does not levy personal income and corporate taxes (except some economic activities such as oil, gas and financial services). You can easily get a residency visa by setting up a 100% foreign-owned company in one of its more than 40 free trade areas. In addition, it is possible to set up an offshore company in the emirates of Dubai, Ajman and Ras Al Khaimah. With a Dubai’s offshore company you can even own real estate in certain Dubai’s development projects.

Vanuatu. Vanuatu is one of the few tax-free countries where one can obtain residency and citizenship through a donation. Economic Citizenship has been relaunched this 2017 and it also has a very straightforward residency program. Investing about $89,000, you will receive a one-year residence visa, which can be renewed annually. If you want a more permanent establishment, you will have to make a larger investment, which will grant you residency for three, five, 10, or even 15 years. Click here for further information about residency visas and second passport in Vanuatu. Vanuatu is also an offshore financial center, which stands out for its privacy policies. Is a trip to the South Pacific on your horizon? Bring your sunscreen.

 

[Mindmaster]

If you view taxes as necessary, at least try to figure our how to get rid of income and property taxes. Income tax diminishes ambition, and property tax makes homeowners literally at risk of losing their homes.

Just make an economy based on raiding like the Norse.

 

[metis]

The government is more conmen. They lie about what they are going to use the taxes for. Unfortunately they are able to hide their misuse of tax money from the general public. The government acts as its own oversight and with a two party system like we have in the US they can always use the opposing party as the scapegoat.

Then I would recommend, and I have for a long time now, that we adopt the Swedish principal of having non-partisan ombudsmen/women for oversight and recommendations. We can't just eliminate all taxes and expect anything good to become of it.

 

[Nakosis]

Then I would recommend, and I have for a long time now, that we adopt the Swedish principal of having non-partisan ombudsmen/women for oversight and recommendations. We can't just eliminate all taxes and expect anything good to become of it.

I've no problem with taxes, I just don't trust our current government with the money.

 

[Shad]

The following in formation is from this website Complete List of Countries with No Taxes in 2017 - Flag Theory
So if you want to critique someone, it should be the people who made this website and added the info in the first place.

Tax-Free Countries
The Bahamas. The Bahamas imposes no income tax on its residents and receives most of its revenue from tourism and its robust offshore industry. Its residents pay zero tax, regardless of where they earn their income. The government application fee for Bahamas temporary residence is only $1,000, and it is renewable yearly. You can get a long-term or permanent residence if you invest $250,000 in real estate. The Bahamian passport is a surprisingly good travel document – just look at all that visa-free access!

The British Virgin Islands. Though typically recognized for its robust incorporation and fund management industries, the BVI is also home to a number of entrepreneurs from around the world who have planted a flag here to legally avoid high taxes and improve privacy and finance elsewhere. To get a residency permit, you will need to show bank statements that indicate your finance and personal wealth, and pay a $1,000 surety bond.

Brunei. You can obtain residence or permanent resident status in this small jurisdiction nestled on the island of Borneo. Brunei has great incorporation and banking options as well.

The Cayman Islands. This jurisdiction’s financial authorities have made incorporating into their state expensive, and generally, it is best used for fund management, not offshore companies that hold an active business. To live on Grand Cayman, you must have an annual income of nearly $150,000, and invest $500,000 in real estate or local companies (which could be your own company). These requirements are more relaxed if you choose to live in one of the smaller islands.

Monaco. I love this place. The principality has a special place in my heart and visiting there is always an adventure (just avoid the casinos!). The principality bordering France and Italy is part of the gorgeous French Riviera. It doesn’t have an airport, but you can easily get there by train or car, or if you are so inclined, boat or helicopter. We have the full breakdown of what it takes to get residency in Monaco here.

Oman. Oman does not tax personal revenues. Residency permits are limited, the two most common ways are through employment or through an Omani family member. Before applying for residency it is required to obtain a Non-Objection certificate, signed by both the sponsor and the government.

Turks and Caicos. Turks and Caicos have an economic residency program that offers quick residence permits to foreigners who either spend at least $300,000 building a new house or remodeling a distressed property, or who invest at least $750,000 in a company that is majority-owned by locals. Did we mention there is no tax here?

The United Arab Emirates. The United Arab Emirates does not levy personal income and corporate taxes (except some economic activities such as oil, gas and financial services). You can easily get a residency visa by setting up a 100% foreign-owned company in one of its more than 40 free trade areas. In addition, it is possible to set up an offshore company in the emirates of Dubai, Ajman and Ras Al Khaimah. With a Dubai’s offshore company you can even own real estate in certain Dubai’s development projects.

Vanuatu. Vanuatu is one of the few tax-free countries where one can obtain residency and citizenship through a donation. Economic Citizenship has been relaunched this 2017 and it also has a very straightforward residency program. Investing about $89,000, you will receive a one-year residence visa, which can be renewed annually. If you want a more permanent establishment, you will have to make a larger investment, which will grant you residency for three, five, 10, or even 15 years. Click here for further information about residency visas and second passport in Vanuatu. Vanuatu is also an offshore financial center, which stands out for its privacy policies. Is a trip to the South Pacific on your horizon? Bring your sunscreen.

Tax free means no taxes not no income tax. You read the link, you know there are taxes. You typed those words by your own free will. You hit the post button. Try again.

 

[Rival]

I just misread this thread as

Challenge: Make A Government Run Without Texas

 

[Heyo]

1. The government does not spend, in general. Instead, they come up with ways to coordinate the citizens making their own reward at zero cost (example: they promise farmers and hunters that if they share their food they will have all gold and other precious metals or gems to buy what they need, then promise miners that if they mine and sell their gems to the government they get food. Both parties get to keep some of what they produce, but are encouraged to switch, using the state as a middle man)

2. A state business that has high demand for its services. This makes it so people can actually choose to give money to the government, rather than them acting like robbers. It also means the government is responsible for its own income.

This isn't just a choice of these two. Use your minds to invent a third or fourth (etc) option.

If you view taxes as necessary, at least try to figure our how to get rid of income and property taxes. Income tax diminishes ambition, and property tax makes homeowners literally at risk of losing their homes.

1.1. (A variant of your 1)
Abandon government all together. (Anarchism)
Basically what you propose but the "government" can be any group of individuals who negotiate community projects.

2.1.
Make the community owner of certain resources, e.g. land. (Communism)
When land, water, air, minerals, etc. are owned by the community, the community can auction of the right to use or exploit a resource for some time.

3.
A 100% inheritance tax. (Which wouldn't be called an inheritance tax.) Suppose inheritance being not a concept. You never pay any taxes during your lifetime but any wealth that looses its owner becomes property of the community (state).

4.
Voluntary taxes. (Which wouldn't be called taxes but "support" or "investments".) The government proposes a project and each individual can support the project.

5.
Delinquent slavery. (Which wouldn't be called slavery but "amends and rehabilitation".) People who get caught in a crime have to work to make amends for the damage done to society and then some.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I suspect that most of the people who exit the education system today, either through college or university, are so indoctrinated that they are unable to function independent of dependence on a strong government. That is to say, they can't even think of people being alive without such thing as taxes and welfare schemes.

I can certainly think of it and imagine it.
I also realise how much harder life would be and how such a system would immensly hurt the weak (in every sense of the word) and poor.

You are a christian, right?
Aren't you supposed to favor systems that help the weak and poor?

People don't seem to realise that a secular, constitutional democracy isn't about the majority or about majority rule. The most important part of a constitutional democracy, is to protect the minorities, which includes the weak and poor.

A constitutional democracy exists, exactly to prevent that 90% of citizens can choose to kill the remaining 10%, to put it in an extreme.

How, as a christian, can you not favor such a system over an "every man for himself" type society?

1. The government does not spend, in general. Instead, they come up with ways to coordinate the citizens making their own reward at zero cost (example: they promise farmers and hunters that if they share their food they will have all gold and other precious metals or gems to buy what they need, then promise miners that if they mine and sell their gems to the government they get food. Both parties get to keep some of what they produce, but are encouraged to switch, using the state as a middle man)

Already, your first point is self-contradicting.
You say that government doesn't spend. Then you refer to "they" (I'll assume you mean individuals that make up the government) and the work that they do. So who pays them for that work, if not the government? Paying wages, is spending.

Next you speak of the government buying gems from miners. Buying is spending. Even if you "pay" the gems with chickens instead of dollars.

2. A state business that has high demand for its services. This makes it so people can actually choose to give money to the government, rather than them acting like robbers. It also means the government is responsible for its own income.

lol

I can see it before me now...
You call 911.

"help my house is on fire!"
"okay, we can send a fire truck. how do you wish to pay?"
"I don't have enough money"
"ow well, that's unfortunate. I hope you can find other accomodations. bye. *click* "

or

"help! I locked myself in my room and some guy is banging the door threatening to kill me!!"
"okay, we'll send a squat team. How do you wish to pay?"
"I don' thave enough money"
"ow well, that's unfortunate. maybe you'll get lucky and the psychopath will just leave. bye. *click* "


Sounds like a wonderfull country to live in.

This isn't just a choice of these two. Use your minds to invent a third or fourth (etc) option.

I can't think of one that would actually work better and provide at least the same kind of protection for the weak and poor and minorities, let alone provide MORE protection for such.

If you view taxes as necessary, at least try to figure our how to get rid of income and property taxes

Why?

Income tax diminishes ambition

It does? How so?

, and property tax makes homeowners literally at risk of losing their homes.

It does? How so?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

This is basically the model for taxation in North Korea. Officially, people do not pay taxes and income tax was abolished in 1974, so the government derives it's revenue from a "turnover tax" (applied to the supply chain within and between companies rather than the consumer) because all the companies are government owned.

So, the world's last Stalinist Dictatorship is also the Libertarian's Tax Free paradise. Kinda neat...

Taxation in North Korea - Wikipedia

Neat.

I indeed smelled the stench of communism in that point.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

nothing more is needed

Honestly, I think it is beyond delusional to think that any country could function properly and achieve the standards (accross the board) we all enjoy today in a secular democracy when it relies only on the "goodwill" of people to make it so.

The only thing such would achieve, is the transferal of power from government to the rich.
The power that the rich have today, would simply turn into absolute power.

Everything you try to solve by doing this, would in fact only get 10 times worse.

 

[metis]

I've no problem with taxes, I just don't trust our current government with the money.

I don't trust anyone with my money, sometimes including myself.

But the thing we have to be careful of is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater as some things simply will not happen on their own nor pay for themselves.

 

[Tambourine]

I suspect that most of the people who exit the education system today, either through college or university, are so indoctrinated that they are unable to function independent of dependence on a strong government. That is to say, they can't even think of people being alive without such thing as taxes and welfare schemes.

That's an incredibly conceited and rude thing to say. What drives you to make statements like this?