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Challenge: Make Your Case for Creationism
- Thread starter jojom
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Could you provide which types of creationism you are looking for input from? The dialogue is typically restrained to unsophisticated, literalistic interpretations of Biblical creation mythos. I just would like to know if, like most, you intend to restrain the conversation to that variety, because I have nothing to say about that given I do not follow Biblical mythology and thus don't follow Biblical creation mythos.
You are going to need to define 'creationism'? For example I believe in creationism and evolution; a type of non-Biblical based Intelligent Design. I don't know how I am not going to allude to evolution.
jojom
Active Member
Re. defining "creationism."
There are three, as described by Wikipedia below. In main, the creationism I refer to is the belief that the universe and variety of life originate from specific acts of divine creation, one carried out by the Abrahamic god.
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There are three, as described by Wikipedia below. In main, the creationism I refer to is the belief that the universe and variety of life originate from specific acts of divine creation, one carried out by the Abrahamic god.
1) Young Earth creationism includes a biblical literalist interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative.
2) Old Earth creationism holds that the physical universe was created by God, but that the creation event described in the Book of Genesis is to be taken figuratively. This group generally believes that the age of the Universe and the age of the Earth are as described by astronomers and geologists, but question scientific explanations for the variety of life
3) Progressive creationism holds that species have changed or evolved in a process continuously guided by God, with various ideas as to how the process operated—though it is generally taken that God directly intervened in the natural order at key moments in Earth history.
Take your pick.2) Old Earth creationism holds that the physical universe was created by God, but that the creation event described in the Book of Genesis is to be taken figuratively. This group generally believes that the age of the Universe and the age of the Earth are as described by astronomers and geologists, but question scientific explanations for the variety of life
3) Progressive creationism holds that species have changed or evolved in a process continuously guided by God, with various ideas as to how the process operated—though it is generally taken that God directly intervened in the natural order at key moments in Earth history.
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freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I'm not a creationist, but I did stay in a holiday inn express last night, so here goes...
It's magic. It doesn't need to make sense. All we need to know is God's magic and can do it whatever way he wants, evidence be damned. Magic.
jojom
Active Member
"make a case for"
make (out) a case for something/doing something
To give a good explanation why something should be. "You've certainly made out a case for us buying a dishwasher."
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To give a good explanation why something should be. "You've certainly made out a case for us buying a dishwasher."
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lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
i have never seen a book that did not have an author, or a painting that did not have an artist, or a machine that did not have an inventor, so it is hard to believe something a million times more complex did not have a creator
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Totally haven't seen this argument before.
Mohammad Nur Syamsu
Well-Known Member
Creationism is the fundamental conceptual scheme for all science and religion. There are 2 categories creator, and creation. What is in the creator category is a matter of opinion, what is in the creation category is a matter of fact. Creationism is thereby the only philosophy which validates both fact and opinion. So with creationism one can describe the facts about how the earth is created, and then make the opinion that the earth is beautiful.
The mechanism of creation is choosing. Choosing is to make a possibility, which is in the future, the present or not. Or sometimes explained as making one of alternative futures the present. The logic of freedom, choosing, is obviously quite different from the logic of being forced, cause and effect.
There are about 5(?) main areas to creationism.
1. the first decisions in the universe, as well as the decision to create the universe
2. decisions in the inanimate universe, such as galaxies.
3. decisions that made organisms the way they are
4. decisons by organisms, animals etc.
5. decisions by people
To explain nr 3, DNA worlds theory
The mathematical ordering of the DNA system is the same as that of the physical universe. Which means, the DNA system is a world in it's own right, like a 3D computersimulation is a world in it's own right.
In the DNA world of an organism there exists a full 3D representation of the adult organism. This DNA-organism, guides the development of the physical organism to adulthood.
The socalled junk-DNA, or non-coding DNA, is actually other things in this DNA world besides the DNA-adult organism. Like for instance the sun and the moon may be represented in the DNA world, copied to the DNA world from the actual sun and moon. Representations of many other things may be in the DNA world of an organism, like completely different organisms like snakes, or spiders. Most of these other things in the DNA world would be of use in the life of the organism.
Also design elements may be in the DNA world. The function of which is to organize choosing a new adult dna organism, which then, as already mentioned, guides the development of the physical organism into adulthood.
jojom
Active Member
Pretty much all forms of creationism will rely on a "god of the gaps" by showing that science cannot explain all phenemeona or that current scientific explanations are wrong. it is possible to argue against the preference for naturalistic explanations and therefore read both the ignorance and uncertainty of science as an opening for religious belief. so it hinges on how you define the question to thereby define what would be an acceptable answer. They could well argue faith is a valid basis for belief or otherwise try to argue that belief in creation is rational (see below). To do so convincingly would be a considerable intellectual achievement. I'd kind of like to do it for the sake of being a devil's advocate and as a way of examining my own atheism, but I don't know enough about it.
Personally, I'd ask a deist as they seem like pretty intresting bunch and (I think) do accept a burden of proof. With Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine among their adherents, it be nice if RF had a few more as it give us atheists a run for our money and a serious challange on our own terms. ["ah... the believers are talking sense! what do we do now? save us Dawkins!"
] they are sort of interest because they speak the same 'language' as the strong atheists through reason and science whilst reaching a different conclusion. that might well be more of what you are looking for.
Personally, I'd ask a deist as they seem like pretty intresting bunch and (I think) do accept a burden of proof. With Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine among their adherents, it be nice if RF had a few more as it give us atheists a run for our money and a serious challange on our own terms. ["ah... the believers are talking sense! what do we do now? save us Dawkins!"
] they are sort of interest because they speak the same 'language' as the strong atheists through reason and science whilst reaching a different conclusion. that might well be more of what you are looking for.
Thana
Lady
My case for Creationism - Because the alternative sucks
Imo, Creationism is better than nothing.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So, making up an answer is better than not making any assumptions about something you don't know?My case for Creationism - Because the alternative sucks
Imo, Creationism is better than nothing.
Thana
Lady
I didn't make up anything.....?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
What else is creationism based on other than make-believe?
Thana
Lady
Divine revelation, prophecy/visions/dreams, spiritual experiences and written accounts about such things.
You can call that make-believe if you like, I'm sure it makes you feel better about your own beliefs or lack thereof.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Okay then.
No, it just makes me feel worse about other people if they're willing to base their belief on such flimsy reasoning and still assert that it's better to believe it than to withhold assumptions.
Thana
Lady
I was being facetious...
There is no making a case for Creationism, It's just something that you either accept or you don't for whatever subjective reasons you have.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I couldn't tell.
Exactly.
So, a baseless assumption, then. And yet, to you, it's better to accept it as true than to withhold assumption. Why?