Challenge: The Quran is not taken from the Bible

[Twig pentagram]

A fine example of pure Bias

My book is the real one, leave yours. valid argument. What you quoted from the bible says,



If there wasn't to arrive another inspired expression from God, why would God include this VAGUE quote in the bible that You must test the inspired expression to see whether it comes from God? If Bible was the final word of God, why would God even indicate towards testing of new inspired versions? Care to comment?

It seems like the bible was saying that there was more scriptures to come.

 

[bowingtoGod]

From a non Muslim perspective, it is quite possible that Prophet Muhammad (saws) just heard some Jews and Christians speak about the Prophets and wrote about them. However, we could say the same for the New Testament and the Torah (i.e. from Pagan religions, Zoroastrianism, etc etc)

 

[England my lionheart]

From a non Muslim perspective, it is quite possible that Prophet Muhammad (saws) just heard some Jews and Christians speak about the Prophets and wrote about them. However, we could say the same for the New Testament and the Torah (i.e. from Pagan religions, Zoroastrianism, etc etc)

This is a possibility,the Egyptian Book of the dead for example contains something very simmilar to the ten commandments

 

[bowingtoGod]

This is a possibility,the Egyptian Book of the dead for example contains something very simmilar to the ten commandments

Interesting! I did not know that. But we could also argue that, It is because they all come from God, that is why they carry similar stories and beliefs.

 

[England my lionheart]

Interesting! I did not know that. But we could also argue that, It is because they all come from God, that is why they carry similar stories and beliefs.

Or we could argue that Humans worked out for themselves that Killing,stealing etc are bad

 

[bowingtoGod]

Or we could argue that Humans worked out for themselves that Killing,stealing etc are bad

hahaha yes that too. But there is more to religions than just that.

 

[England my lionheart]

hahaha yes that too. But there is more to religions than just that.

There cetainly is

 

[Bowman]

If i was to copy anything from bible to the Quran, being a muslim, you think I'd include chapters and references given to Jews and christians in the Quran? how silly to even say that bible got copied into Quran (AstaghfirullAh) you havent even read the book, it is just That obvious.

I have read and studied the Koran in the Arabic for 15 years, brother.

It would appear that you don't know near as much about the origins of your book of faith as you should.

The authors of the Koran practically fall all over themselves proclaiming kudos for the Biblical material which they used.

Perhaps you are the one who has not bothered to read the Holy Bible.

Better yet...just read the Biblical Book of Revelation first, and then read your Koran, and you will see that >75% of your book of faith was wholesale copied from just this one Biblical book...

( with due respect, isnt it strange coming from people who cannot even assemble or agree upon one version of bible to show any coherence in their stance, There are well over tens and forties of versions of just one bible and yet it is not comprehensive, )

Which version of the Koran do you follow....Yusuf Ali...Pickthal...Freeminds....Sale..., etc, etc...?

I and all muslims Totally Respect the book even then, and All muslims have complete regard for the bible and the torah (because they were originally divine scriptures untill they got interrupted),

The Torah is already part of the Holy Bible, brother...and no...the Koran never states that the Holy Bible was corrupted.

Why else would they have copied it?

The only point christians and jews mis-interpret about Islam, to the point where they even REFUSE to acknowledge any Prophet other their own, and Any book other than their own, how biased is that?

Who cares about islam?

We are discussing the Koran...and therein is no mention of anyone named "Muhammad" who had anything at all to do with the book.

It is only fair to point out the fact that to understand one divine religion, one has to go through all books to even have an opinion against one, out of pure bias.

Studying books of faith should be objective, brother.

It is Quran that talks about christianity, judaism and Islam being the same spirits of a same religion, coming from a same source.

Nope.

Both islam and Judaism deny the Son.

Thus, neither one worships the true creator God of the Universe as revealed in the Holy Bible.

Both islam and Judaism lead to death.

It is highly probable that earlier divine books went through personal human modifications( out of jealousy or whatever) to misguide the humanity, because SOME people wanted to gain out of it, and they HAVE gained tremendously out of it , for those who do not see that they rule the world today and all its resources.

The Koran comes to mind...

If Quran had several versions too, one could doubt its origin, but i guess it makes some people sad and angry that The Quran is the only un-disputed One version divine book from day one to the day it will last. Its only bias that would keep people away from it, nothing else.

Pa-lease!

This is pure islamic myth.

The oldest extant fragment of a sura from your book of faith dates to over a century after the supposed life and times of your 'prophet'.

So no...you have nothing original and nothing which which to make any such claim.

 

[Bowman]

From a non Muslim perspective, it is quite possible that Prophet Muhammad (saws) just heard some Jews and Christians speak about the Prophets and wrote about them. However, we could say the same for the New Testament and the Torah (i.e. from Pagan religions, Zoroastrianism, etc etc)

Show me one single verse from the Koran which states that someone named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the book.

Good luck.

 

[bowingtoGod]

Show me one single verse from the Koran which states that someone named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the book.

Good luck.

Waallatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati waamanoo bima nuzzila AAala muhammadin wahuwa alhaqqu min rabbihim kaffara AAanhum sayyiatihim waaslaha balahum
47:2 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to MUHAMMAD - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
33:40 MUHAMMAD is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

 

[Bowman]

Waallatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati waamanoo bima nuzzila AAala muhammadin wahuwa alhaqqu min rabbihim kaffara AAanhum sayyiatihim waaslaha balahum
47:2 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to MUHAMMAD - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

والذين ءامنوا وعملوا الصلحت وءامنوا بما نزل​

على محمد وهو الحق من ربهم كفر عنهم​

سيءاتهم وأصلح بالهم​

Waallatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati waamanoo bima nuzzila AAala muhammadin wahuwa alhaqqu min rabbihim kaffara AAanhum sayyi-atihim waaslaha balahum

47.2 And whom they believed and they did the righteous deeds, and they believed on account of that which was sent down according to (the) Praised One, and He, The Truth, from their Lord, to forgive them of their evil, thou pay, and He did that which was good, right, or just (in) their heart.


No mention of "Muhammad" having anything at all to do with the Koran, brother.

This ayah does, however, show that "Muhammad" is also 'The Truth', of which, according to the Koran is only Jesus Christ....also of which would explain His ability to forgive evil...

Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
33:40 MUHAMMAD is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

ما كان محمد أبا أحد من رجالكم ولكن رسول​

الله وخاتم النبين وكان الله بكل شيء عليما​

Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum walakin rasoola Allahi wakhatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shay-in AAaleeman

33.40 The Praised One was worthy of (the) Father; one from your men, and but “allah's” Messenger, and the sealing agent of the prophets, and worthy of “allah” on account of everything that He will, according to His knowledge.



We are told these amazing things regarding “Muhammad” in 33.40:

• “Muhammad” was a single man (i.e. “one from your men&#8221
• “Muhammad” was “allah’s” messenger
• “Muhammad” was the sealing agent of the prophets (i.e. the person sealing, or stamping)
• “Muhammad” is worthy of “allah” because of His will & His Knowledge

This pretty well sounds the death knell for Islam’s so-called “prophet”.

The “Muhammad” of the Koran (i.e. Jesus) is stated as being the sealing agent of all the previous prophets.

He is the reason that they prophesized in the first place.

He is the culmination, the conclusion, the sum total of what the prophets had written.

Period.

Thus…

There is absolutely no reason at all for Islam to invent another extra-Koranic “Muhammad” to continue on as a “prophet”.

Jesus has fulfilled the scriptures for us.

It’s a done deal.

Further, 33.40 informs us that “Muhammad” was worthy of being deity because of His will and His Knowledge.

There is only one conclusion…

Jesus is God.

 

[bowingtoGod]

-_-
Do you know that Muhammad means the praised one?
Just tell me the website you get this stuff from so I can take a look at it.

 

[Bowman]

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Do you know that Muhammad means the praised one?
Just tell me the website you get this stuff from so I can take a look at it.

Jesus is the Praised One in the Holy Bible.

The four times the term is used in the Koran is always in the context of the Biblical Jesus.

 

[Ram36]

Let me fir st present this first fact. The Quran is written in third person the bible is not, but as a muslim I do see the Torah and Bible as revelation. God gives us 2 powerful surahs in the Holy Quran It is called the verse of the Throne. My Lord explains in this Surah a concept of Himself that is not of the Christan belife it states this
[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2]Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous. (255)[/SIZE][/SIZE] My lord clearly states He Dose not Rest or sit on A Throne. In Islam our Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) clearly showed us an powerful concept of Allah that only we have. I say this with all respect. So clearly you can see we did not copy from the bible this verse or any other verse..

 

[Bowman]

Let me fir st present this first fact. The Quran is written in third person the bible is not,

If the Koran was written in the third person, then this means that it was a copy....and that it does not contain any comments in the first-person...thus, the god "allah" cannot say that he created the Universe in the first-person singular - because he didn't...etc, etc...

but as a muslim I do see the Torah and Bible as revelation.

The Torah is already part of the Holy Bible..as well as the Gospels.

God gives us 2 powerful surahs in the Holy Quran It is called the verse of the Throne. My Lord explains in this Surah a concept of Himself that is not of the Christan belife it states this
[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2]Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous. (255)[/size][/size] My lord clearly states He Dose not Rest or sit on A Throne. In Islam our Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) clearly showed us an powerful concept of Allah that only we have. I say this with all respect. So clearly you can see we did not copy from the bible this verse or any other verse..

99% of what is found in the Koran has been copied from the Holy Bible, brother...

 

[search the scriptures]

if the jews/israel would have recognized/praised/claimed allah(and still praise allah), i would beleive that.... instead i see 600 years or so after Jesus even, muhammad claims everyone was wrong/different god, and meant allah

 

[Bowman]

if the jews/israel would have recognized/praised/claimed allah(and still praise allah), i would beleive that.... instead i see 600 years or so after Jesus even, muhammad claims everyone was wrong/different god, and meant allah

The 'allah' of the Koran is merely satan dressed-up to look like the true Biblical God.

 

[Ram36]

Let me give you three ayats
1 Surah 23: 12-14-[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2]Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; (12) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; (13) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! (14) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]Then lo! after that ye surely die. (15) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again). (16) [/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]And We have created above you seven paths, and We are never unmindful of creation. (17)
This verse shows the evolution of Man. In the Qur'an my Lord calls Himself "THE Evolver"
Let me know any verse in the bible that we copied this from please.
Peace......:sarcastic
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[Bowman]

Let me give you three ayats
1 Surah 23: 12-14-[SIZE=2.2][SIZE=2.2]Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; (12) [/size][SIZE=2.2]Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; (13) [/size][SIZE=2.2]Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! (14) [/size][SIZE=2.2]Then lo! after that ye surely die. (15) [/size][SIZE=2.2]Then lo! on the Day of Resurrection ye are raised (again). (16) [/size][SIZE=2.2]And We have created above you seven paths, and We are never unmindful of creation. (17)[/size]
[SIZE=2.2]This verse shows the evolution of Man. In the Qur'an my Lord calls Himself "THE Evolver"[/size]
[SIZE=2.2]Let me know any verse in the bible that we copied this from please.[/size]
[SIZE=2.2]Peace......:sarcastic [/size]
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This was copied from Job.