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challenge to Muslims
- Thread starter vskipper
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Actually the belief is he choked him. Read the entire Bible (several times) never heard of an angel doing that
We are not talking about Muhammad as the direct object but the indirect. The point is simple. According to the Quran God is not like creation (Surah Al Inklas). Everything in creation changes, in one way or another, due to the circumstances at the time. If you are saying that God stopped holding prophets to the same law they were to give to the masses then he changed because of circumstance and is like creation. As Smartguy pointed out with the father analogy
I believe in both. But I always preferred grey to black & white
We can't say God stopped holding prophets to the same law they were to give, but rather, i'm saying that what God revealed to Moses is different than what he revealed to Mohamed. Do you agree?
outhouse
Atheistically
Moses has no historicity as ever existing.
The exodus did not happen as written.
Israelites evolved from displaced Canaanites
I have no issue with this. But God did not give Moses the 10 commandments & then say but you CAN kill, but not the Israelites.
Were the 10 commandments the only revelations Moses received or there were other instructions aside from them? Are you capable of knowing every single detail of what he received from God?
And I'm a human that evolved from a human. Good to meet ya
Oh, I forgot. Tell that to the OP'er not me. I don't have a problem with your views
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
That's like asking someone else to eat your dinner for you & offering to take the nutrients on-board if they do.
Daft.
I have commented in reply to your other reply and I have no intention. Only my own thoughts based on reason as I see it. I search for truth in all venues and for God. I keep my mind open but my opinions are as they are until I see reason to believe otherwise. However, if you feel that my opinion is firm and there is nothing to say to deter it then I understand you not wanting to reply further.
Wow such wit. I stand in awe of your teenage level commentary :thud:
^ note that I posted a personal opinion based on observations & modern psychology. Rather than try and comment on why it wasnt epilepsy or OCD he leaves. Kind of gettinb used to this. Just like the responses to my observation about the contradiction created by 33:50
Sabour
Well-Known Member
Friend vskipper,
According to what I read throughout the comments the problem seems to be because of the number of wives of the prophet.
If that is right I hope you would read this
The reason for that is that at that time, there were no limits for the number of wives one can have.
As we know Quraan was revealed in stages. The prophet had this number of wives before the verse concerning the number of wives was revealed.
So all the muslims who had more than 4 wives kept only 4. Except for the prophet. This is because the wives of the prophets were the mothers of the believers.
33:52 Hereafter women are not lawful to you, neither for you to take other spouses in exchange for them, even if their fairness (may) make you admire them except what your right hand possesses; and Allah has (always) been Ever-Watchful over everything.
This is for the prophet to tell him that he can't have anymore wives. But why would he still have 11 ?
33:53 O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
So if he divorced and keeps only 4, the wives will remain widowed, because they were the wives of the prophets. And they were the mothers of the believers.
According to what I read throughout the comments the problem seems to be because of the number of wives of the prophet.
If that is right I hope you would read this
The reason for that is that at that time, there were no limits for the number of wives one can have.
As we know Quraan was revealed in stages. The prophet had this number of wives before the verse concerning the number of wives was revealed.
So all the muslims who had more than 4 wives kept only 4. Except for the prophet. This is because the wives of the prophets were the mothers of the believers.
33:52 Hereafter women are not lawful to you, neither for you to take other spouses in exchange for them, even if their fairness (may) make you admire them except what your right hand possesses; and Allah has (always) been Ever-Watchful over everything.
This is for the prophet to tell him that he can't have anymore wives. But why would he still have 11 ?
33:53 O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.
So if he divorced and keeps only 4, the wives will remain widowed, because they were the wives of the prophets. And they were the mothers of the believers.
I sent you a private msg.
I am going to simplify this even further. Is there an example (in the Bible or the Qur'an) where a law was passed for the general populace and then Gd came and told his prophet and or king that one of these laws does not apply to him or any variance of such a situation? (not counting 33:50 of the Qur'an) Also if there is such an instance what is the chapter and verse?
I am going to simplify this even further. Is there an example (in the Bible or the Qur'an) where a law was passed for the general populace and then Gd came and told his prophet and or king that one of these laws does not apply to him or any variance of such a situation? (not counting 33:50 of the Qur'an) Also if there is such an instance what is the chapter and verse?
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