You cannot possibly believe this. It is God who brought Jesus out of death to life, avenging him.
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You cannot possibly believe this. It is God who brought Jesus out of death to life, avenging him.
The bible says Jesus was God's envoy. Jesus was Jewish and prayed to the Jewish God. So did, and do, all Jewish believers.
Why do you need to pray to Jesus as intermediary when the Jews can pray directly to the same God?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
haha the son is important.
so Christians like to say, but why? Antisemitism aside, what do Christians have that Jewish believers lack?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Jewish people do their thang christians do theres. if u dont know the importance of the son by now youll never know.
Colt
Well-Known Member
There is no price for God's Love else it wouldn't be love. Jesus never taught that rejecting his original Gospel message was to pay a fictitious sin debt. The atonement doctrine came later after Jesus left. Jesus chose to lay down his life to share the death experience with us. He never attached forgiveness to his tragic rejection. We now have a God who has experienced the full range of being human with us.
Jesus wasn't on trial before Pilate, Pilate was on trial before Jesus!
There is indeed a great deal I don't understand about Jesus.
Perhaps the main thing is why he was necessary at all, and what he accomplished that an omnipotent God couldn't have accomplished with one snap of [his] fingers.
Doesn't it appear to be both obscene and absurd to sacrifice [your] own son/envoy to yourself before you're prepared to do what you've been able to do at any time without effort all along?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
like i said youll never know
InChrist
Free4ever
False, the Gospels are consistent. One cannot interpret them any they please. Scripture interprets scripture and clarify their intended meaning.
False, the four Gospels are quite different and inconsistent. blü 2 is quite well educated on the Gosels and their inconsistency, so perhaps he will explain what these are to you.
But until then, here is a link that shows some of them
Most Striking Contradictions in the Gospels among the Four Evangelists | The Blog of Dimi
Yet people come up with all sorts of different interpretations, so clearly you are wrong.
So far I haven't met any Christians who know either ...
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
semantics
The synoptics ─ Mark, Matthew, Luke ─ are consistent in that Matthew and Luke use Mark as their template. But then they vary, add to, omit, and use materials of their own or from elsewhere. There are three incompatible models of Jesus, for example ─ the Jesus of Paul and the Jesus of John have a gnostic flavor, each having dwelt in heaven with God and each having created the material universe (regardless of Genesis); then we have the Jesus of Mark, who's an ordinary Jew until JtB baptizes him and God adopts him as [his] son in the same way God adopts David as his son in Psalm 2:7; and thirdly we have Jesus as the genetic son of God, born of a virgin with God's Y-chromosome.
Or again, the Jesus of Paul and the Jesus of John are descended from David, though we're not told how and the parents are unnamed; the Jesus of Matthew and the Jesus of Luke are not descended from David, alongside the claim that they are because Joseph, expressly not Jesus' father, is descended from David (by two not-credible and conflicting genealogies); and the Jesus of Mark is out loud and proud not descended from David at all.
And that's just the lowest-hanging fruit.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
semantics
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Eternal hell is first only a human Theists over view.
Hell was frozen. Said men.
Now by infinity space opening continually as energy is burnt out of mass...mass is to go hard. Law cosmic. Mother womb of God stated legal.
Held mass energy his thesis.
Eternal hell is where image is frozen above and only sin is below with God earth and was stopped. Jesus legal said is gods son. Of earth only. Said it not to infer Jesus was a man said only earth owned it's inheritor..
Earth was attacked bodily as was human life. Reasoned only.
A comparison given back. As a Theist compared human biology to a nuclear dust. The exact reason.
As we don't live in hell as a human. Hence I gave the eternal it's status as and by being just a man.
Yet the review is frozen hell only by Infinity voiding conditions. Eternal hell.
So if Jesus overcame sacrifice....it's not a man.
Reasoned. Sacrifice of God is by earths dust converting into nothing infinity as a sin sink hole.
States the man theist.
So sink holes stopped opening into ground plate eating of gods flesh last causes as a holy saving.
By ice the Reborn saviour new.
Flooding water mass. Old. Laws.
Two testimonials of proof.
So father celibate first owns conscious aware natural position answered....said I now impose a legal law. No man is God.
Legally you are not allowed any argument to the contrary. As I'm not detailing humans sex advice. Used as a comparison falsely to dust.
So Satanists devised a plan to eradicate the pope line when they re emerge in life and decide to try to destroy all life again was the warning.
As it's true human behaviour. Behaviour is first so some thinkers should not be in employment. The warning.
Hell was frozen. Said men.
Now by infinity space opening continually as energy is burnt out of mass...mass is to go hard. Law cosmic. Mother womb of God stated legal.
Held mass energy his thesis.
Eternal hell is where image is frozen above and only sin is below with God earth and was stopped. Jesus legal said is gods son. Of earth only. Said it not to infer Jesus was a man said only earth owned it's inheritor..
Earth was attacked bodily as was human life. Reasoned only.
A comparison given back. As a Theist compared human biology to a nuclear dust. The exact reason.
As we don't live in hell as a human. Hence I gave the eternal it's status as and by being just a man.
Yet the review is frozen hell only by Infinity voiding conditions. Eternal hell.
So if Jesus overcame sacrifice....it's not a man.
Reasoned. Sacrifice of God is by earths dust converting into nothing infinity as a sin sink hole.
States the man theist.
So sink holes stopped opening into ground plate eating of gods flesh last causes as a holy saving.
By ice the Reborn saviour new.
Flooding water mass. Old. Laws.
Two testimonials of proof.
So father celibate first owns conscious aware natural position answered....said I now impose a legal law. No man is God.
Legally you are not allowed any argument to the contrary. As I'm not detailing humans sex advice. Used as a comparison falsely to dust.
So Satanists devised a plan to eradicate the pope line when they re emerge in life and decide to try to destroy all life again was the warning.
As it's true human behaviour. Behaviour is first so some thinkers should not be in employment. The warning.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I believe it is both. I believe that Jesus sacrificed Himself for the sins and inequities of mankind but I believe He also conveyed eternal life.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Okay. You are a man human.
Human the same.
Man the same.
You believe in phi...not Jesus.
As you are a scientific man theist first.
Topic is phi. Part of his con.
O a circle with a number is pi.
You can't make that number O circle be anything else. Thought about only.
You think circle when no circle exists anywhere is humans today. Humans trying to consciously equate a story to bring your owned advice to your attention.
Flat plane was the theme your circle in thesis is flat...owns no mass was the warning. Advice comes about falsely as the thesis.
Everyone is arguing no one is listening.
Man only says I see dusts. Science by man observed. You hence cannot thesis about when dusts don't exist as converted. As what you see is.
Yet you do first about non existent dust to own built machine machine to convert.
Machine machine man memory man memory trapped in thesis.
Actual possession term.
Sion..fission of fusion.
Fusion is first law.
You theoried first fission...lied.
Water bio life overheats in salt water. Chemistry yours about salts.
Memory says said ....crops combusted...land fall burning UFO. Drought caused water gone above below.
No food.
Suddenly huge shoals of fish die. UFO seen entering sea water instead.
Men said Jesus fed the starving with dead fish. Radioactive fish humans died anyway later.
You scientist combusted nature animals human. Self combustion witnessed. Why do you think Satanists were taught as the evil humans?
Some other reason?
So today you remove dust yet dust remains. You sickly think you put the dusts back. Proof your mind changed conscious awareness. You say a dust is constantly present as you introduced infinity by mind status.
No human put any dusts back.
Yes you did you'd argue the sun dusts mass above were put back.
How do you know liars Satanists men,
The visions I got in UFO burning told me. I survived to confess my man's sin....
.I believed in gods earth sun sin...sink hole. Nothing the nothingness of God means he believes in causing it only.
As just a man thinking. His thesis a confession tells you what a secret mind of evil thinks as just a man.
A man is not measured. As a man is one human. One species type.
Each end is a Whole body one. You see it only.
Science put numbers on DNA. Dna says no human. He'd argue having taken a sample off a one human body.
So science said it could by numbers reduce one life down to a microbe itself.
By machines.
Combustion as carbon plus water owns living microbe in the water...not in the carbon.
Why do you think man scientist satanist converted to religious only practices?
The theist a liar the destroyer.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Con...humans are part machine.
Humans sitting behind machine make all claims.
Humans sitting behind machine make all claims.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
My warning. A message. Given years ago by spirit of a man. I saw him he spoke as a man. Said I needed to be taught now..hoping the message wasn't too late.
Said to everyone as family and I heard it. I don't own it. Understand?
Said men humans reasoned....
The population on earth now equals the amount of humans who lived before.
So today we are on earth in space together. Past deceased humans living now as total human population.
Our past to present message told us now about anything we personally learnt before.
American Phi I was told by a man psychic held a warning I needed to understand as a woman and healer.
.....there we all were all in one place a generation lost in space with no time left. To start again.
Lost in space.... will....Rob in son. The robot.
Father's warning earth ice melt water mass held above is his origin life position. First life past conditions.
We've inherited ice mass lost where origin bio life began as amount of saviour not present on earth. Same now as it was originally.
So it's like we've travelled back in time by water memory.
Saying we are the closest to destruction we've ever been as they died in that position too. First life humans.
We own our own last life warning.
If ice goes back any further as sacrificed body we will all die. Fact is simple.
We own warm blood we aren't the dinosaur cold blood theoried by scientists studying DNA microbe terms. Lying.
Said to everyone as family and I heard it. I don't own it. Understand?
Said men humans reasoned....
The population on earth now equals the amount of humans who lived before.
So today we are on earth in space together. Past deceased humans living now as total human population.
Our past to present message told us now about anything we personally learnt before.
American Phi I was told by a man psychic held a warning I needed to understand as a woman and healer.
.....there we all were all in one place a generation lost in space with no time left. To start again.
Lost in space.... will....Rob in son. The robot.
Father's warning earth ice melt water mass held above is his origin life position. First life past conditions.
We've inherited ice mass lost where origin bio life began as amount of saviour not present on earth. Same now as it was originally.
So it's like we've travelled back in time by water memory.
Saying we are the closest to destruction we've ever been as they died in that position too. First life humans.
We own our own last life warning.
If ice goes back any further as sacrificed body we will all die. Fact is simple.
We own warm blood we aren't the dinosaur cold blood theoried by scientists studying DNA microbe terms. Lying.