YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I couldn't agree more, Jamaesi. Education is a very slow process, so even starting right now, we are still looking a generation (or two) away before the "old ways" begin to die out -- as they should.
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Child forced into marriage dies during childbirth, as does baby.
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Frubals.
Smoke
Done here.
Well, according to the article, the people who are objecting to a minimum age for marriage base their argument on the fact that Sharia does not impose a minimum age. So what I said stands. It applies to Sharia as it is understood in Yemen.
.lava
Veteran Member
that's optimistic. it is clear in Islam kids until age 14 are not responsible of their Islamic duties. because they are considered as kids who depend on their parents. so God does not obligate people at age 14 and they are not responsible of anything. motherhood and being a wife hold great responsibility if you ask me. this is not about how they apply Sharia. this is about poverty and how they perceive female gender according to their tradition. IMO it is obvious that people under age 15 can not be given responsibilities of an adult. they are either very ignorant or they prefer to ignore this fact.
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Ichiraku_raman
New Member
Like I already said, theres black sheep in every community, and im not here to defend them.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Nor condemn them.
.lava
Veteran Member
that would be another aspect of ignorance if you ask me
ps: sorry everyone, i thought he was saying "damnation". sorry, i sometimes confuse words in English.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Indeed. People always cite the "culture of the period" when it comes to the history of barbarism in their religions, but shouldn't God have higher authority above and over primitive human cultures instead of God conceding and bowing to their customs and norms?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
that would be another aspect of ignorance if you ask me
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It's ignorance to condemn those who force 12 year old girls to marry grown men?
.lava
Veteran Member
Child Marriage in Islam is only a problem in Islamic States,Sharia Law has a large gaping hole in it with regards to Child Marriage backed up by a well known Hadith so Men who Marry Children are'nt even breaking the Law.
Of course it would be wrong to think that every Man in Afghanistan for example wants to Marry a Child but obviously there is nothing to say he can't depending on what school of Sharia Law is being used which gives licence to the black Sheep you speak of.
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
In the West we have a process where children can be adopted. This means they are brought up as if the child was one of their own. This has humanitarian and social benefit for orphans, or those bewreathed of their parents. We do not marry these children, because that by definition implies sex.
If we were to do this, we would be labelled correctly as disgusting pedophiles. The evidence presented here suggests Mohomad was definately a pedophile, whether Hadith or Quran, it IS written. Then to have it excused, she died because she was late getting medical attention, what a red herring, surely the real question is how the hell did she get pregnant in the first place? Which sick pathetic sub human male impregnated her? If he was on remand in our jail he would be dead within several days, the inmates would kill him in disgust.
In the west such things would be considered the lowest of base human nature and engender nothing but disgust.
I am sure there are many good Muslims out there, but why are there so many uncivilised ones as well? This face of islam which we see even in our own suburbs in the Muslim Ghettos, is why we in the west fear Islam. I would prefer it stay were it is and not come to my country, we have IMHO a far better social system, even with its flaws, than any Islamic theocracy I have seen.
Yes these peasants need education. The reading of books other than the Quran in school may improve the situation, at least you could eductate 50% of the population.
Cheers
If we were to do this, we would be labelled correctly as disgusting pedophiles. The evidence presented here suggests Mohomad was definately a pedophile, whether Hadith or Quran, it IS written. Then to have it excused, she died because she was late getting medical attention, what a red herring, surely the real question is how the hell did she get pregnant in the first place? Which sick pathetic sub human male impregnated her? If he was on remand in our jail he would be dead within several days, the inmates would kill him in disgust.
In the west such things would be considered the lowest of base human nature and engender nothing but disgust.
I am sure there are many good Muslims out there, but why are there so many uncivilised ones as well? This face of islam which we see even in our own suburbs in the Muslim Ghettos, is why we in the west fear Islam. I would prefer it stay were it is and not come to my country, we have IMHO a far better social system, even with its flaws, than any Islamic theocracy I have seen.
Yes these peasants need education. The reading of books other than the Quran in school may improve the situation, at least you could eductate 50% of the population.
Cheers
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Would they have listened to God if he didn't?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So then shouldn't God be making concessions to modern day norms for the same reason?
The point is that the dirtier and darker aspects of holy writ is always blamed on the human culture and customs of the era rather than on god despite being included in something that's claimed to be god's word, but for something that's supposed to represent god's righteousness and authority probably shouldn't have included, condoned and advocated such nasty things if they're not truly god's wish and will.
Why not be honest with yourself and admit there is something wrong with a book that gives instruction on how to sell ones own daughter into sexual slavery, and yet forbids eating shrimp. Such divine and invaluable wisdom, that.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Who says he isn't?
They weren't considered nasty back then, and weren't considered nasty a hundred years ago.
Why not be honest with yourself and admit there is something wrong with a book that gives instruction on how to sell ones own daughter into sexual slavery, and yet forbids eating shrimp. Such divine and invaluable wisdom, that.
I never claimed the Bible to be perfect.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
How is that even remotely relevant when GOD is supposed to embody righteousness, justice and perfection?