Children as Transgender

[Nicholas]

Here is the Abstract of the trans suicide study, with a link to the full text:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.o...000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR:+No+local+token

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The appropriateness of so-called 'transition' misses the point. It is impossible to change one's sex.

One can with enough money, time, drugs & surgery change the appearance of one's body. Yet the XX or XY chromosomes do not change.

Fixation on the body instead of the soul or spirit is just making humans more materialistic.

Sex=/= gender.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The appropriateness of so-called 'transition' misses the point. It is impossible to change one's sex.

But it’s very possible to change your gender expression to reflect your gender identity.

One can with enough money, time, drugs & surgery change the appearance of one's body. Yet the XX or XY chromosomes do not change.

Fixation on the body instead of the soul or spirit is just making humans more materialistic.

It seems to me that with your fixation on genetic sex and disregard of gender issues, the person fixated on the body is you.

 

[Nicholas]

First do no Harm is part of a doctor's oath:

https://www.acpeds.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/SEX-CHANGE-IN-KIDS-VIOLATES-FIRST-DO-NO-HARM.pdf

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

First do no Harm is part of a doctor's oath:

https://www.acpeds.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/SEX-CHANGE-IN-KIDS-VIOLATES-FIRST-DO-NO-HARM.pdf

Forcing a trans child to live as if they're cis causes harm.

 

[Nicholas]

From the MD's piece:

"Another non-controversy is that chromosomes determine sex and they are unalterable. A child can no more make him or herself someone of the opposite sex than they could become chimpanzees. Moreover, for the vast majority of young children, these feelings are transient and, if not supported and/or encouraged, extinguish by late adolescence. This is why it deserves treatment and/or counseling as does any other physical or emotional problem of childhood."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

From the MD's piece:

"Another non-controversy is that chromosomes determine sex and they are unalterable.

This is non-controversial? Go up to someone with CAIS and tell them that their chromosomes determined their sex. Let us know their reaction.

Androgen insensitivity syndrome

 

[Nicholas]

This is non-controversial? Go up to someone with CAIS and tell them that their chromosomes determined their sex. Let us know their reaction.

Androgen insensitivity syndrome

I am having a difficult time finding one since - "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, or AIS, is a genetic condition, inherited (except for occasional spontaneous mutations), occurring in approximately 1 in 20,000 individuals."

That is .00005% of the population.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I am having a difficult time finding one since - "Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, or AIS, is a genetic condition, inherited (except for occasional spontaneous mutations), occurring in approximately 1 in 20,000 individuals."

That is .00005% of the population.

Ah - so you can read posts in this thread. I was starting to wonder if you were a bot.

Yes: it's a rare condition, but it still exists. As you point out, 1 in every 20,000 people is born phenotypically female but genetically male. Intersex conditions overall amount to about 1 in 1500:

How common is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

That works out to around 5 million people worldwide for whom your simplistic statement isn't true.

 

[Nicholas]

That works out to around 5 million people worldwide for whom your simplistic statement isn't true.

It seems simplistic to you, yet it was a perfectly true generalization for Earth's 7.5 billion people (minus the 5 millions, you figure the percentage).

In short, you are just quibbling.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It seems simplistic to you, yet it was a perfectly true generalization for Earth's 7.5 billion people (minus the 5 millions, you figure the percentage).

In short, you are just quibbling.

It's not quibbling to the people affected by the condition. Such people exist, which is the whole point of the discussion here, is it not?

 

[Nicholas]

It's not quibbling to the people affected by the condition. Such people exist, which is the whole point of the discussion here, is it not?

No, the point of this thread is the danger of the trans movement to normal male or female children.

If you want to focus on problems of Intersex folk, start your own thread.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No, the point of this thread is the danger of the trans movement to normal male or female children.

If you want to focus on problems of Intersex folk, start your own thread.

There is no "trans movement" and trans people don't pose a risk to anyone, child or otherwise. Glad I could help.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

From the MD's piece:

"Another non-controversy is that chromosomes determine sex and they are unalterable. A child can no more make him or herself someone of the opposite sex than they could become chimpanzees. Moreover, for the vast majority of young children, these feelings are transient and, if not supported and/or encouraged, extinguish by late adolescence. This is why it deserves treatment and/or counseling as does any other physical or emotional problem of childhood."

They didn't go away for me, and left me suicidal and praying for death. I hated myself, the world, and everyone in it. And since I've accepted myself and am being myself, the anger, hatred, self loathing, and suicidal ideations have come to an end. I'm definitely a million times better off now than I was trying to pretend to be a heterosexual straight guy.
And it has nothing to do with me, but because of people like you who want to pretend we're the ones with a problem and can just live with it and/or change it.

No, the point of this thread is the danger of the trans movement to normal male or female children.

We aren't coming after you children. You sound absolutely no different than those who say gays are going to corrupt the kids, that in that interracial couples are going to corrupt kids, and that allowing black kids to mingle with white kids will corrupt the white kids.

 

[Nicholas]

Not clear to me Shadow Wolf - are you saying that you went thru the drugs & surgery transition and are happier now or that you accepted being gay and avoided the drugs & surgery?

 

[Kapalika]

Not clear to me Shadow Wolf - are you saying that you went thru the drugs & surgery transition and are happier now or that you accepted being gay and avoided the drugs & surgery?

Speaking for myself, I am much happier on the "drugs". Getting on estrogen (something naturally produced in all of our bodies, I just have more now) was the best decision of my life.

The appropriateness of so-called 'transition' misses the point. It is impossible to change one's sex.

One can with enough money, time, drugs & surgery change the appearance of one's body. Yet the XX or XY chromosomes do not change.

Fixation on the body instead of the soul or spirit is just making humans more materialistic.

Could it be that the spirit is one gender, but the body is a sex that's not congruent causing distress? So long as we are alive, our bodies and spirits are interconnected, I'd argue.

Also being transgender has a biological cause, so treating the best way (transition) is no different than treating any one else.

Also soon it will be able to change sex, once we figure out how to flip epigene markers. The body would naturally do so over a decade iirc

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not clear to me Shadow Wolf - are you saying that you went thru the drugs & surgery transition and are happier now or that you accepted being gay and avoided the drugs & surgery?

On the drugs, I've had several hours of electrolysis (hair/beard removal), have accepted that I also find men attractive, and my life has only been getting better. It's been so much better that after being on hormones (estrogen) (and pills to block the effects of testosterone), pretty much everyone in real life and online started mentioning my mood had improved tremendously.
As I said, trying to pretend to be a heterosexual guy left me wanting to die. There was no joy in life for me.

 

[Nicholas]

Speaking for myself, I am much happier on the "drugs". Getting on estrogen (something naturally produced in all of our bodies, I just have more now) was the best decision of my life.

Could it be that the spirit is one gender, but the body is a sex that's not congruent causing distress? So long as we are alive, our bodies and spirits are interconnected, I'd argue.

Also being transgender has a biological cause, so treating the best way (transition) is no different than treating any one else.

Our true nature or spirit has no gender or sex. Humans are composite beings and our body is the most delusive part.

Being myself convinced of the truth of reincarnation & karma, those explain most of the confusion some children feel regarding their sex or gender. If one was in a male body last lifetime or several in a row, then in this one a female body is the residence, then naturally it feels odd. Part of the purpose of many lifetimes is to gain experience and sympathy for the differing races, cultures & sexes of humanity.

But all one can do is try to follow one's best lights.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The appropriateness of so-called 'transition' misses the point. It is impossible to change one's sex.

One can with enough money, time, drugs & surgery change the appearance of one's body. Yet the XX or XY chromosomes do not change.

Fixation on the body instead of the soul or spirit is just making humans more materialistic.

Exactly Surgically slapping on a penis or pushing your breast out with silicone does not make you a man or a woman. That's why transgender people at times look and come across as so freakish. There are exceptions of course, but that would have to do more with genetics if such a person is lucky enough to come across as a butch woman or effeminate man.

Underneath It all, you still are who you are at the end of the day from a genetic standpoint.

The only true exception would be in the case of hermaphrodites. A sex change at a young age I think would be appropriate at the discretion of the parents depending on which qualities are dominant. If a decision is made to do so.

In some ways it's a shame because hermaphrodites in my opinion are a valid third sex. I think hermaphrodites are sexy in their own natural way.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Exactly Surgically slapping on a penis or pushing your breast out with silicone does not make you a man or a woman. That's why transgender people at times look and come across as so freakish. There are exceptions of course, but that would have to do more with genetics if such a person is lucky enough to come across as a butch woman or effeminate man.

Underneath It all, you still are who you are at the end of the day from a genetic standpoint.

The only true exception would be in the case of hermaphrodites. A sex change at a young age I think would be appropriate at the discretion of the parents depending on which qualities are dominant. If a decision is made to do so.

In some ways it's a shame because hermaphrodites in my opinion are a valid third sex. I think hermaphrodites are sexy in their own natural way.

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