Absolutely the parents can take their kids with them. The headlines like this image of some forced separation scene. That headline gets more sympathetic attention obviously.
Check out the wording of this thread title.
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Children separated from illegal parents
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Check out the wording of this thread title.
The illegals are actually breaking laws not just protesting.
And whatever you think just laws should look like they must still be enforced. And that may not always seem pretty on the surface
I'm talking about here in the thread. But let me be the first:
I am not a legalist and don't believe laws that exist should be enforced just because they exist. That way lies fascism. (Re: war on drugs, incarceration of minorities or inequitable treatment of minorities due to discrimination and stigma. Also, I live in a sanctuary city that doesn't comply with other immigration law.)
In any case, the punishment must meet the crime and our current immigration policy doesn't. It just hurts families, our economy, and relationships with allies.
Unless you favor unlimited immigration you must also support deportations against people’s will.
You're like the people who blow something like "gay marriage" into "beastiality". This is garbage. Is Jeffery Dahlmer a different biological species just because he's a criminal?
Sure, that doesn't mean I have to support federal detainment, treating asylum seekers as illegals, treating illegals as equivalent to felony crime and splitting up families, or overfocusing on expensive and ineffective border control methods in liu of cracking down on exploitive employers and undocumented wages.
I could go on, but characterizing the liberal perspective as 'unlimited immigration' is nothing short of strawmanning.
it’s like liberals are avoiding the question of WHEN to actually get tough. They just describe when they would not get tough. I see no firm line in the sand which has to be necessary when you have more desiring immigration than there are legal places.
This is still strawmanning. Democratic leaders deported more illegal aliens than Republican leaders. There are lines, if you care to look for them. But there is also hard admonishment against targeting the wrong issues, and circulating misinformation such as 'there is more immigrants than places for them' and escalating injustice and discriminating policy.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
They don't seem to have a tough time from taking children from families deemed unfit negligent or abusive.
Would parents whose first act is to break the law signify good parents for the children they bring over?
Yes, it is, in fact, what our damn nation was founded on.
I don’t call asking where the necessary line be drawn ‘strawmanning’. Or at least forcing acknowledgement that a line is a line. And I call not answering ‘avoidance’.
As to those 101 other related issues you are bringing up, what is the subject I am supposed to be discussing? I thought it was this separating children issue.
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I call it strawmanning because you're overgeneralizing ther majority democratic stance on immigration, calling answers you don't like or aren't as reductive as you want it to be 'avoidance'.
Should a parents that deliberately and knowingly places their children in a dangerous situation be held accountable? Should the government intercede on behalf of such children and temporarily remove them from the parent’s custody?
Those are precisely the circumstances illegal immigrants create when they attempt to enter the country illegally with their children along with them.
The parents created the circumstances that require government intervention, placing the children in protective custody, and the need to separate these children from their parents. These irresponsible parents did this. They alone bear the responsibility and onus for these needless family separations, not the government.
Those are precisely the circumstances illegal immigrants create when they attempt to enter the country illegally with their children along with them.
The parents created the circumstances that require government intervention, placing the children in protective custody, and the need to separate these children from their parents. These irresponsible parents did this. They alone bear the responsibility and onus for these needless family separations, not the government.
Wirey
Fartist
Note to self: Get Sunstone to vet all your future sarcasm, so it has that professional polish.
What about parents that are deliberately and knowingly trying to get their children out of a dangerous situation?
"You put yourself in a dangerous position by not declaring your absolvement of all ties to Japan. Thereby making yourself under suspicion of the state. Your incarceration and the removal and placement of your children elsewhere for their protection is on your own head," says the government shifting the blame of an unjust system into its victims.
Where would you, personally, "draw the line" on this ADA? General and vague as the concept is, no doubt.
Yep, that’s me. You sure got me figured out. Well done.
What about them? Would that justify them to knowingly place their children into yet another dangerous situation? Out of the pan into the fire?