Children "witches" tortured.

[blackout]

"The misinterpretation of Christianity" has no objective meaning. Christianity consists in the religious beliefs and actions of its adherents. As such, the child abuse we're discussing is Christianity, or rather, part of a particular form of it.

exactly.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

"The misinterpretation of Christianity" has no objective meaning. Christianity consists in the religious beliefs and actions of its adherents. As such, the child abuse we're discussing is Christianity, or rather, part of a particular form of it.

I disagree. I understand what your saying and agree to a certain extent but, there's always a but isn't there. First you have to decide, is Christianity one thing or multiple things? If it is singular, then what is the definition of that singular. If it is multiple then only one of those definitions can be guilty of the crimes in the OP and the others are not. I see Christianity as having multiple definitions that come from a single source. This particular definition is based on a misinterpretation of the source. But to judge the other interpretations against this one is wrong. All Christians can not be guilty for the crimes of these people. Also, it is wrong to judge the source against these people. It is not Jesus' fault that these people choose to misinterpret his message.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

If they ever find who is responsible for this, they should be killed on the spot.

 

[blackout]

There is no objective way to say what "real" christianity is.

Just look at RF for proof.

 

[rojse]

No you shall not write anything I am off of this idiotic foolishness. Just one last thing. You see, it is people like you.. people like you who made the world as it is now. Arrogant fools, the only thing you do is just open your loud mouth and express your clouded judgment and make yourself look like an idiot. It is ******* people like you that ruin the most important values of life; truth, love, freedom by allowing your foolishness to cloud your judgment, and allow yourselves to blame the others when you should blame yourself.

You see honey.. if you weren't an arrogant piece of ****, and you were a reasonable person enough to have an opinion about these issues instead of just blaming people you should have at least known that Christianity is based on the New Testament, while the ******** you and your retarded boyfriend quote is from the old testament firstly, and as I said before they are false text. You should have known at least what Christianity stands for before you even thought of posting.

This goes to you, and to everyone who supports you because they are the same as you, it goes to every idiot out there who doesn't even know what a religion is and who doesn't even know how to even think critically.

I called many people fools but you know what. I NEVER BLAMED THEM. I never blamed them because I know how it is to live in the dark, not being able to see anything. But until you choose to find light you will always live in the dark. You will eternally suffer from your own foolishness.

And lastly, I know that you don't care but why did I waste so much time typing this? Because I never gave up on people, no matter how stupid they are, how arrogant, how foolish, HOW ******* BLIND. I never gave up.

I wonder if Valkyr1a knows what irony is.

 

[rojse]

For someone so supposedly educated, you react very childishly.
Just because we disagree with you we "don't even know how to think critically?" We're "idiots?"
Is it lonely up on that pedestal?

Don't criticize Valkyr1a, it's the lack of oxygen from being up so high that makes her react that way.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

There is no objective way to say what "real" christianity is.

Just look at RF for proof.

True, but I think we can agree that there is no singular version of Christianity. It is a composite of multiple interpretations of a single source. To blame the composite for the crimes of one segment would be wrong.

However, the composite holds a responsiblity to respond to the crimes of one segment. It is this response that should be judged.

 

[Azakel]

No you shall not write anything I am off of this idiotic foolishness. Just one last thing. You see, it is people like you.. people like you who made the world as it is now. Arrogant fools, the only thing you do is just open your loud mouth and express your clouded judgment and make yourself look like an idiot. It is ******* people like you that ruin the most important values of life; truth, love, freedom by allowing your foolishness to cloud your judgment, and allow yourselves to blame the others when you should blame yourself.

You see honey.. if you weren't an arrogant piece of ****, and you were a reasonable person enough to have an opinion about these issues instead of just blaming people you should have at least known that Christianity is based on the New Testament, while the ******** you and your retarded boyfriend quote is from the old testament firstly, and as I said before they are false text. You should have known at least what Christianity stands for before you even thought of posting.

This goes to you, and to everyone who supports you because they are the same as you, it goes to every idiot out there who doesn't even know what a religion is and who doesn't even know how to even think critically.

I called many people fools but you know what. I NEVER BLAMED THEM. I never blamed them because I know how it is to live in the dark, not being able to see anything. But until you choose to find light you will always live in the dark. You will eternally suffer from your own foolishness.

And lastly, I know that you don't care but why did I waste so much time typing this? Because I never gave up on people, no matter how stupid they are, how arrogant, how foolish, HOW ******* BLIND. I never gave up.

It seem you have a problem with reading. You do know that there are rule that you agreed to follow when you joined right?
1. Off-topic personal comments about Members and Staff
Personal attacks are strictly prohibited either on the forums or by Private Messaging, Signature Lines and Visitor Messages. Critique each other's ideas all you want, but under no circumstances personally attack each other or the staff.

 

[blackout]

True, but I think we can agree that there is no singular version of Christianity. It is a composite of multiple interpretations of a single source. To blame the composite for the crimes of one segment would be wrong.

However, the composite holds a responsiblity to respond to the crimes of one segment. It is this response that should be judged.

Smoke was certainly not doing so.
Nor was I. I don't actually think anyone was......

(though you'd never guess it by the way this thread went :areyoucra )
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Also......

I don't necessarily think "christians" have a responsibility
to protect children from other "christians".
GOOD SANE PEOPLE in general have a responsibility to protect the children
from loonies in general.

Certainly though gentle christians should not give abusive christians a "lesser sentence"
just because they wear a "christian" (or "priest/minister") sticker on their forehead.

NO ONE SHOULD BE BEATING/ABUSING CHILDREN FOR ANY REASON. period. duh.

Nor should "witches" be 'named' or judged by other people.
It is a very personal thing. Who has the right to label others?!
I feel no personal responsibility to right the wrongs of other sorcerers either.
Nor do I allign myself with them by label or loose affiliation.

I am only me. I choose life asthetics that inspire and empower me.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I don't necessarily think "christians" have a responsibility
to protect children from other "christians".

I do. Christian's do have a responsiblity to identify those actions that they do not wish to be associated with Christianity. They should be very vocal in their condemnation of such actions.

GOOD SANE PEOPLE in general have a responsibility to protect the children

from loonies in general.

But of course, and may I say your entire post was well said.

 

[Smoke]

I see Christianity as having multiple definitions that come from a single source. This particular definition is based on a misinterpretation of the source.

I disagree. Christianity has always been diverse. We see this even in the New Testament. There is no single source. There is no "pure" Christianity, and never was.

Also, it is wrong to judge the source against these people. It is not Jesus' fault that these people choose to misinterpret his message.

It's certainly not. I think it's extremely naive to think that Jesus is the source of Christianity, though.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I disagree. Christianity has always been diverse. We see this even in the New Testament. There is no single source. There is no "pure" Christianity, and never was.

It's certainly not. I think it's extremely naive to think that Jesus is the source of Christianity, though.

Why? I agree there is no "pure" Christianity but why isn't Jesus the source of it? If the word source is the problem how about focal point? It is his life and teaching's that define the religion. I suppose you could say that the source is Judaism with a dash of Buddhism but I don't see that as relevant to the discussion.

Why are US Christians guilty of the crimes commited in the OP? How does being Christian make you guilty of anything?

 

[blackout]

There are VERY few "christians" who focus simply on the recorded life and teachings of jesus.
(for themSelves)

Most christians are a biproduct of other christians who TEACH THEM "how" to be a christian....
what it MEANS to be a christian... what christians do... what they believe...
and how they are to interpret the life and teachings of jesus.... doctrines they are to follow....
and superstitions they are to uphold.

(I'll be back)

 

[Seven]

There are VERY few "christians" who focus simply on the recorded life and teachings of jesus.
(for themSelves)

Most christians are a biproduct of other christians who TEACH THEM "how" to be a christian....
what it MEANS to be a christian... what christians do... what they believe...
and how they are to interpret the life and teachings of jesus.... doctrines they are to follow....
and superstitions they are to uphold.

(I'll be back)

That's actually one of the best descriptions of what it means to be a Christian that I've read.

Unfortunately the RF gods are currently preventing me from giving you any more frubals.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

There are VERY few "christians" who focus simply on the recorded life and teachings of jesus.
(for themSelves)

Most christians are a biproduct of other christians who TEACH THEM "how" to be a christian....
what it MEANS to be a christian... what christians do... what they believe...
and how they are to interpret the life and teachings of jesus.... doctrines they are to follow....
and superstitions they are to uphold.

(I'll be back)

How does this contradict my statements? Everything you said is true but it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the source, or focal point, of Christianity is Jesus Christ. Your post speaks to what Christians are today. My statements on the Christians of today are the same. They are divided into a multitude of different groups which all have their own interpretation of the teachings and life of Jesus Christ, the focal point. What you have done is explain, in part, the reason there are multiple interpretations. Nothing to argue about here.

My only point in all this is that there are multiple groups of Christians and that Christians as a whole are not responsible for the actions of one of the groups. However, they have a responsiblity to respond as Christians to those actions and should condemn them should those actions not be considered Christian.

 

[challupa]

I guess what I see is that for Christians and other religions that have negative teachings in their holy books, it sets them up for negative consequences when they take these negative passages and bring them into the world. It does seem to happen amongst the least educated, but not always. For priests etc to get involved in this is manipulation imo. However, critical thinking isn't likely a huge factor on a priests resume... so...

 

[Storm]

I do. Christian's do have a responsiblity to identify those actions that they do not wish to be associated with Christianity. They should be very vocal in their condemnation of such actions.

I haven't followed the whole thread, but I agree with this.

Being part of a community carries responsibilities as well as privileges. One of, if not the most important, is to set standards of behavior, and reprimand those who do not meet them, out of enlightened self interest if nothing else. A community's reputation is determined by the actions of its members. If one fringe element takes action that the greater community disapproves of, the majority has to make that clear. Otherwise, it comes across as tacit condonation.

 

[mimidotcom]

Insulting and blaming a group of people for certain actions, especially when it is not their fault is simply called ignorant out-casting. And the Christian religion simply does not support any kind of genocide or conflict and also war. So please people, Stop blaming the Christians and stop blaming the religions when actions like these occur. It is simply the foolishness of men that leads to these events.

i was reading the top three threads thread.. and saw this one.. i tried to read through the whole thing.. but stopped short here...

"and the christian religion simply does not support any kind of genocide or conflict and also war"

would u care to explain the crusades? the inquisition? the salem witch trials? what about the religious battles in ireland?..just for clarification of course. it may not support violence per say.. but it definitey facilitates it.

and i can ask this.. because the OP had nothing at all to do with genocide.. neither did ultraviolet's post. nothing about war or conflict. your generalized defense of christianity is silly. and absolutely not supported by history.

 

[Wookiemonster]

So what exactly IS the REAL Greek/Hebrew translation of that verse?
That every mainstream version/translation of the bible gets so wrong?

(did I miss it somewhere in the thread?)

In it's origional Hebrew the word used means poisoner, not witch.

Other than that I'm staying out of this one.

 

[Azakel]

i was reading the top three threads thread.. and saw this one.. i tried to read through the whole thing.. but stopped short here...

"and the christian religion simply does not support any kind of genocide or conflict and also war"

would u care to explain the crusades? the inquisition? the salem witch trials? what about the religious battles in ireland?..just for clarification of course. it may not support violence per say.. but it definitey facilitates it.

and i can ask this.. because the OP had nothing at all to do with genocide.. neither did ultraviolet's post. nothing about war or conflict. your generalized defense of christianity is silly. and absolutely not supported by history.

First off I'm not a big fan of Christianity, but I think what the problem is here is that it not all was the religion. In all the acts you mention it could be just humans using religion has the reason for doing what they do. Twisting and destroying there own religious text to get there way and for power. It happen.