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Chimp And Human Lines Interbred During Evolution!

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
A new study of genomes just published in Nature strongly suggests:

1) Chimpanzee/human lineage split as recently as 6.3 to 5.4 million years ago (and not the 7 million years estimated previously);

2) Chimp ancestors and human ancestors may have interbred for as long as a million or more years, causing hybrids with both chimp like and human like features.

From The Age:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/meet-your-ancestor/2006/05/17/1147545394809.html

The very roots of the human family tree have been redrawn thanks to a groundbreaking study that has compared the genetic codes of humans and chimpanzees.

The US research, published in Nature, shows that the evolutionary split between humans and chimpanzees was not clean and sudden 7 million years ago, as previously suspected.


The split happened 6.3 million years ago at the earliest, say the scientists. But more importantly, the genetic analysis shows that chimpanzees and the earliest hominids continued to have sex with each other and swap genes for another 1.2 million years before the final break.


This finding sheds new light on the earliest hominid fossils, all of which have been found in Africa over the past 15 years. The fossils have puzzled scientists with their inconsistent and unusual blend of human and chimpanzee characteristics.


The scientists, working at Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, completed an exhaustive analysis of human, chimpanzee and gorilla genomes to find out the evolutionary history of each.


"The genome analysis revealed big surprises, with major implications for human evolution," said the paper's co-author, Harvard biologist Eric Lander. "First, human-chimp speciation occurred more recently than previous estimates. Second, the speciation itself occurred in a more unusual manner that left a striking impact across (the female chromosome) chromosome X."


The paper says "the two species split no more than 6.3 million years ago and probably less than 5.4 million years ago". The finding casts new light on the famous Toumai skull, found in Chad in 2002, which was dated to 6.5 to 7.4 million years. Toumai was believed to be the earliest hominid skull.


Because Toumai now seems to be older than the final split between chimpanzees and hominids, it is probably neither chimp nor hominid but a common ancestor of both.


"It is possible that the Toumai fossil is more recent than previously thought," said the paper's lead author, Nick Patterson of Harvard University. "But if the dating is correct, the Toumai fossil would precede the human-chimp split. The fact that it has human-like features suggest that human-chimp speciation may have occurred over a long period with episodes of hybridisation between the emerging species."
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
*Starts singing: You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals...*
That's really amusing, though not terribly surprising.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
More on this:

From the National Geographic:

"First, human-chimp speciation occurred more recently than previous estimates. Second, the speciation itself occurred in an unusual manner that left a striking impact across chromosome X," Lander said.


This sex-determining chromosome typically occurs in pairs in cells of females and combined with a Y chromosome in cells of males.
Different regions of the human and chimp genomes were found to have diverged at widely different times, and the two species' X chromosomes show a surprisingly recent divergence time.

This genetic evidence boosts the theory that the two species may have hybridized, because interbreeding causes strong selective pressure on the X chromosome and could have resulted in that chromosome's very young age in both humans and chimpanzees.
Different species can, and sometimes do, mate to produce hybrid offspring. Horses and donkeys produce mules, for example. Likewise, "rheboons" are the offspring of female baboons and male rhesus macaques.


Because most hybrid offspring can't reproduce, evolutionary biologists don't believe hybridization plays a significant role in the long-term evolutionary success of new animal species.
But recent research has found some evidence of the process in the development of unique fly and fish species.


"That such evolutionary events have not been seen more often in animal species may simply be due to the fact that we have not been looking for them," Harvard's Reich said.
Reich also explained that the new study doesn't prove that hybridization occurred.


"It's the only explanation that we could imagine," he said. "But there may be others that we can't imagine."


Penn State's Makova notes that a chimpanzee genome sequencing project she took part in pointed to "male mutation bias" as a possible cause of the X chromosome's young appearance. "Male mutation bias" is the term for a higher mutation rate in males than in females.


"To obtain a final answer … analysis of complete sequences of orangutan, macaque, and marmoset will be very helpful in obtaining better understanding of this question."


Researchers are currently working to generate those sequences, and studies of the Y chromosome in primates may also help to paint a clearer picture of the chimp-human split.


It seems to me this genetic approach to studying evolution is going to produce volumes of new ideas very quickly. Mere months from now, we might have a picture of what happened that would take decades to approximate by fossil evidence alone.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
These findings would suggest that the ancestors of humans and the ancestors of chimpanzees occupied overlapping ecosystems. Does that raise a question of how they could have diverged in the first place? Does it indicate that they may have exploited different food sources even though they (at least sometimes) occupied overlapping territories?

What does this finding say about the hypothesis that humans and chimps diverged from a common ancestor because humans went to the grasslands while chimps stayed in the rain forests? Since humans even today are not adapted to living in rain forests, does this mean that the grassland/rain forest split occured later than previously thought?

Lastly, does anyone know what species were around 5.4 million years ago when the human/chimp split is hypothesized by this new evidence to have finally occured?
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
Does it indicate that they may have exploited different food sources even though they (at least sometimes) occupied overlapping territories?
Perhaps, a difference in social patterns explains the divergence while occupying the same area... Animals have very particular social behaviors, and if the groups were different enough in their behaviors it would be unlikely they would choose to mingle very often. Another aspect of this to be considered is rape. Even in some animals rape is utilitize to show power and dominance (especially if the social behaviors are not what the other group would deem suitable), and that may be the cause of the mixing. Though I cannot recall off-hand if chimps are know to do this.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
lunamoth said:
Has Buttercup told us what she thinks about this yet?? :D

The same thing my aunt Harriet would say........"It's about time us friggin chimps got some recognition!" ;)

Will be highly interesting to see what other information comes out. Such as...if there were hominoids that mixed with chimps...where did the hominoids start?

Did anyone else find the following scary? Is it true? It was at the very bottom of the article.

"Dr Groves said that even today it could be possible for humans and chimps to have sex and produce offspring, although there would be ethical problems."
 
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