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"China dreams of emulating the Taliban".

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I really feel for the people of Taiwan that has to deal with both the threat by the Chinese, and the threat of the Biden regime doing absolutely nothing if and when Chinese aggression commences.


Taiwan escalates Afghanistan tiff with Beijing: 'China dreams of emulating the Taliban'

We are obligated to help and assist Taiwan but I doubt Biden and his puppeteers would ever step in to help.

Afghanistan is proof of the resolve of this current regime.
 

Friend of Mara

Active Member
I really feel for the people of Taiwan that has to deal with both the threat by the Chinese, and the threat of the Biden regime doing absolutely nothing if and when Chinese aggression commences.


Taiwan escalates Afghanistan tiff with Beijing: 'China dreams of emulating the Taliban'

We are obligated to help and assist Taiwan but I doubt Biden and his puppeteers would ever step in to help.

Afghanistan is proof of the resolve of this current regime.
The US never utilizes its forces for moral reasons. There is always underlying geo-political issues. They don't actively fight China because it is not in their best interest to do so. I'm not saying they shouldn't but they won't. We also weren't in Afghanistan out of altruism.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I really feel for the people of Taiwan that has to deal with both the threat by the Chinese, and the threat of the Biden regime doing absolutely nothing if and when Chinese aggression commences.


Taiwan escalates Afghanistan tiff with Beijing: 'China dreams of emulating the Taliban'

We are obligated to help and assist Taiwan but I doubt Biden and his puppeteers would ever step in to help.

Afghanistan is proof of the resolve of this current regime.
It is nothing of the kind, not least because getting out of Afghanistan is being done to allow more focus on Asia Pacific.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So to make this clear, would you rather the US continued its military occupation of Afghanistan?

Would you also like the US to start a nuclear war with China?
We ought to go back in and retake Afghanistan to prevent a serious future threat from getting even stronger.

People forget 9/11 it seems and the country where that threat came from, including other countries that harbor them.

And no country will start any nuclear war unless there is a death wish in the minds of those employing such weapons.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I totally disagree. The Afghan government was corrupt to the nth degree and were not willing to fight their own battles. Taiwan is totally different.
I agree. Taiwan will fight to the end unlike the Afghanistan government who appeared to embrace their aggressors.

Unfortunately, China could very well succeed in that endeavor if the US and its allies do nothing to stop it should it ever happen.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It is nothing of the kind, not least because getting out of Afghanistan is being done to allow more focus on Asia Pacific.
It is a possibility.

The US is thought to be able to fight 3 wars or fronts simultaneously but that may have changed since then.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
It is a possibility.

The US is thought to be able to fight 3 wars or fronts simultaneously but that may have changed since then.
The US has blown $1 trillion on Afghanistan, as well as expending lives for little apparent benefit. If you want your army to fight, they need to trust you won't expose them to risk for no good reason. China is a big player. You don't want to have lots of other issues on your hands if you can avoid it.

Biden has always opposed the nation-building aspect of the Afghan campaign, so it is not surprising he wants out, as do the American people, by all accounts. I think this could have been better managed, and it is true that the USA's enemies will crow about in public - though now it is they that will have to work out what to do about Afghanistan, so the laughter may be short-lived. But it is just stupidly partisan to claim that this withdrawal, which was initiated by Trump negotiating with the Taliban, shows the current administration to be militarily weak.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
We ought to go back in and retake Afghanistan to prevent a serious future threat from getting even stronger.

People forget 9/11 it seems and the country where that threat came from, including other countries that harbor them.
So you are in favor of more aggressive military imperialism. Good to know.
I won't say anything further because we clearly have no common ground in this debate.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I totally disagree. The Afghan government was corrupt to the nth degree and were not willing to fight their own battles. Taiwan is totally different.
Taiwan's government has a democratic mandate with a working multi-party representative system, which Afghanistan never had even when the Kabul government pretended to hold free elections. There was a system of military strongmanship present in the country, which NATO actively encouraged since it was those strongmen whom they thought were their first line of defense against the Taliba (something which proved comically inaccurate, as not only were they utterly unable to contain the Taliban as a military threat, the ethnic massacres perpetrated by these NATO allies drove people back into the arms of the Taliban).

Not only did that system simply never exist in Taiwan, the US at no point actively intervened in their domestic politics to make some point or another (except very early, when they encouraged the KMT to massacre communists, but to be fair the KMT had never needed much encouragement for that in the first place).
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
China is in no hurry to regain Taiwan. They could do so any time they wish.
However it is an important source of valuable electronic components, so China will not want to disrupt that supply train.
At some point in the not too distant future, Taiwan will find that it is in its interest to change allegiance away from the USA. And to the new world economic power house.

The USA is increasingly irrelevant in the south China sea area.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
China is in no hurry to regain Taiwan. They could do so any time they wish.
However it is an important source of valuable electronic components, so China will not want to disrupt that supply train.
At some point in the not too distant future, Taiwan will find that it is in its interest to change allegiance away from the USA. And to the new world economic power house.

The USA is increasingly irrelevant in the south China sea area.
People thought that China wasn't in a hurry to seize total control of Hong Kong either initially, but then a local crisis, coupled with a need of the Xi regime to look strong in the face of Western democracy, considerably accelerated the timetable for a full annexation of HK by the PRC.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
People thought that China wasn't in a hurry to seize total control of Hong Kong either initially, but then a local crisis, coupled with a need of the Xi regime to look strong in the face of Western democracy, considerably accelerated the timetable for a full annexation of HK by the PRC.

Hong Kong always belonged to China. The UK Lease ran out.
The recent troubles was all the reason they needed to take more direct control.
Though China Always gives regional government day to day local control.
Just as it will to Taiwan when it gets it back.

The xi regime is strong, and far more long term than any western government. however it likes trading with the world, including the west.
And just as much as China needs the world, the west needs China.

After the recent spat with Trump, China knows that it can not trust The USA as a trading partner, so will strengthen its areas of dependence, which became all too apparent And reduce any dependence on American technology in its products. Trumps Actions have Changed China's direction and massively strengthen it. Biden seems to be making the same mistakes. Which will harden China even more.

If anything China is Pragmatic to a fault.
 
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Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
I really feel for the people of Taiwan that has to deal with both the threat by the Chinese, and the threat of the Biden regime doing absolutely nothing if and when Chinese aggression commences.


Taiwan escalates Afghanistan tiff with Beijing: 'China dreams of emulating the Taliban'

We are obligated to help and assist Taiwan but I doubt Biden and his puppeteers would ever step in to help.

Afghanistan is proof of the resolve of this current regime.

Well, if I were the president, any aggression by China would result in the immediate launch of at least 100 nuclear weapons targeting their cities.
And I would let them know it ahead of time.

Then after destroying their cities, I would send contractors in to rebuild.

Wn, win, win, win.


Wonder if I could get elected on that platform?

I’m sure I could get quite a few votes.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well, if I were the president, any aggression by China would result in the immediate launch of at least 100 nuclear weapons targeting their cities.
And I would let them know it ahead of time.

Then after destroying their cities, I would send contractors in to rebuild.

Wn, win, win, win.


Wonder if I could get elected on that platform?

I’m sure I could get quite a few votes.
You would make Patton proud.
 
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