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China orders Dalai Lama to reincarnate after death

Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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What!!?? What are they going to do, dig him up and put him on trial? (actually that was done to one pope or another cleric back in the day).

China orders Dalai Lama to reincarnate after death

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Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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Why did I somehow know you would like it? :p
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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Nietzsche said:
I'm not sure how they'll do it, but if they pull it off I think it may be prudent to start getting on China's good side.
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Hmm... yeah, and I wonder how they'd say "neener neener" in Mandarin. :D
 
Jainarayan

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MysticSang'ha said:
If I were China, I would just declare one of my own to be the reincarnation 9 months after his death and call it a victory for Buddhist Justice.
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Somebody posted something like that in the comments section... China would just declare someone they like to be the reincarnation. We're laughing at this (well, I am) but the Chinese gov't is just slimy enough to do something like that.
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

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As absurd as the order to reincarnate sounds.... it may be a political move..... because of this

On August 3, 2007, China's State Administration for Religious Affairs issued a decree that all the reincarnations of tulkus of Tibetan Buddhism must get government approval, otherwise they are "illegal or invalid". The decree states, "It is an important move to institutionalize management on reincarnation of living Buddhas. The selection of reincarnates must preserve national unity and solidarity of all ethnic groups and the selection process cannot be influenced by any group or individual from outside the country." It also requires that temples which apply for reincarnation of a living Buddha must be "legally-registered venues for Tibetan Buddhism activities and are capable of fostering and offering proper means of support for the living Buddha.

Reincarnation Applications have to be submitted to four governmental bodies for approval, specifically the religious affairs department of the provincial-level government, the provincial-level government, State Administration for Religious Affairs, and the State Council.
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and the 11th Panchen Lama......

Now they can say...:"see...he listened to us and this is your new...and improved Dalai Lama".....
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Mistake me if I'm wrong, would this not be the equivalent to the Pope saying that there weren't going to be any more Pope's henceforth?
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
dust1n said:
Mistake me if I'm wrong, would this not be the equivalent to the Pope saying that there weren't going to be any more Pope's henceforth?
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Not exactly, that is a bit different culturally and religiously. The pope is picked from the Cardinals so it is pretty much saying we will not be hiring another pope after I'm gone. So you get a long line of different guys as Pope and the only thing they have in common is they are Cardinals of the Catholic Church.

Tibetan Buddhism's Dalai Lama is reincarnated and after he dies the other Lama's go out to find the child that the last Dalai Lama reincarnated into so you have the same spirit (or same Person, kinda sorta) as the Dalai Lama every time. For the Dalai Lama to say he might not reincarnate is to say he will not return to this plane of existence therefore you can't have another Dalai Lama. But to be honest I am not sure him saying that means he might not or that it has more to do with a political statement against the Chinese because of their amazingly silly law, as much as the Chinese telling him he can only reincarnate with their permission is a statement against Tibetan Buddhism and an attempt to show control.
 
dust1n

dust1n

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Wu Wei said:
Not exactly, that is a bit different culturally and religiously. The pope is picked from the Cardinals so it is pretty much saying we will not be hiring another pope after I'm gone. So you get a long line of different guys as Pope and the only thing they have in common is they are Cardinals of the Catholic Church.

Tibetan Buddhism's Dalai Lama is reincarnated and after he dies the other Lama's go out to find the child that the last Dalai Lama reincarnated into so you have the same spirit (or same Person, kinda sorta) as the Dalai Lama every time. For the Dalai Lama to say he might not reincarnate is to say he will not return to this plane of existence therefore you can't have another Dalai Lama. But to be honest I am not sure him saying that means he might not or that it has more to do with a political statement against the Chinese because of their amazingly silly law, as much as the Chinese telling him he can only reincarnate with their permission is a statement against Tibetan Buddhism and an attempt to show control.
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Thanks. Just needed a bit more context there to make the difference. So it's more a political statement against an aggressive China.
 
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