Chinese gov't trying to poison the Dalai Lama

[LeftishBritInPA]

Daily Kos: Dalai Lama fears China might try to poison him

The 76-year-old Nobel laureate said he now lives in a high security cordon in his temple palace grounds in Dharamsala, in the Himalayan foothills, on the advice of Indian security officials.

"We received some sort of information from Tibet," he said. "Some Chinese agents training some Tibetans, especially women, you see, using poison – the hair poisoned, and the scarf poisoned – they were supposed to seek blessing from me, and my hand touch."

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. I wouldn't put anything past the chinese gov't not even attacking and trying to murder a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

"They were supposed to seek blessing from me, and my hand touch."

What the hell is that even supposed to mean?

I honestly see not difference between this man and the Pope. I don't support anyone's death, but some people believe they'd be reincarnated anyway

 

[Murdoch1232]

Daily Kos: Dalai Lama fears China might try to poison him



I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. I wouldn't put anything past the chinese gov't not even attacking and trying to murder a Nobel Peace Prize winner.

I highly doubt this. If the Chinese wanted to kill the Dalai Lama, they would have done so 50 years ago before he fled to India. Heck, the old man is almost 80 and they'd be better off waiting until he died from old age, instead of risking an international incident.

Funny thing for a secularist to be defending a theocrat; one whose predecessors, by the way, killed Christians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Erfeng

The Tibetan Lamas had revolted against Qing rule, killing Chinese officials and western Catholic Christian missionaries and native Christian converts, since the Tibetan Buddhist Gelug Yellow Hat sect was jealous of the Christian missionary success.

Also see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIVq_eV5bQc

 

[Gjallarhorn]

"They were supposed to seek blessing from me, and my hand touch."

What the hell is that even supposed to mean?

It means they were told to come and ask to be blessed, and touch the Dalai Lama's hand...not that hard to understand really...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I think it's a continuation of a clash of cultures. China believes it is demolishing a feudalistic and cruel culture in Tibet, and Tibet believes it is being cruelly oppressed and occupied by the Chinese. His Holiness has been living in exile for a long long time, which has allowed the Tibetan flavor of Vajrayana to spread around the world but at the same time has left the Tibetan people in the hands of those who wish to destroy their culture (which is sincerely believed to be barbaric and backward).

The Dalai Lama continues to age, the Chinese government has introduced it's Panchen Lama to the religious who may or may not accept him since the child Panchen Lama disappeared many years ago along with his family, and it's likely His Holiness is witnessing the end the lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. I see a very real probability that the Chinese government will introduce a Chinese Dalai Lama after this one passes.

In other words, I don't see this as a threat to the Dalai Lama, but as another part of a systemic dismantling of Tibetan culture by the Chinese. Whether that's good or bad depends on how one perceives Tibetan culture, I guess.

 

[Bob Dixon]

I think it's a continuation of a clash of cultures. China believes it is demolishing a feudalistic and cruel culture in Tibet, and Tibet believes it is being cruelly oppressed and occupied by the Chinese. His Holiness has been living in exile for a long long time, which has allowed the Tibetan flavor of Vajrayana to spread around the world but at the same time has left the Tibetan people in the hands of those who wish to destroy their culture (which is sincerely believed to be barbaric and backward).

The Dalai Lama continues to age, the Chinese government has introduced it's Panchen Lama to the religious who may or may not accept him since the child Panchen Lama disappeared many years ago along with his family, and it's likely His Holiness is witnessing the end the lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. I see a very real probability that the Chinese government will introduce a Chinese Dalai Lama after this one passes.

In other words, I don't see this as a threat to the Dalai Lama, but as another part of a systemic dismantling of Tibetan culture by the Chinese. Whether that's good or bad depends on how one perceives Tibetan culture, I guess.

I'm very curious about what will happen when the current Dalai Lama passes away. Will there be two successors? One from the Chinese government and one appointed by the Religion?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I'm very curious about what will happen when the current Dalai Lama passes away. Will there be two successors? One from the Chinese government and one appointed by the Religion?

Good question. I assume China will announce they have the next "true" Dalai Lama. After that, who knows?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

It means they were told to come and ask to be blessed, and touch the Dalai Lama's hand...not that hard to understand really...

What a very needy person.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

What a very needy person.

Who? The Dalai Lama? He was not requesting it. People simply do it.

 

[Jainarayan]

Good question. I assume China will announce they have the next "true" Dalai Lama. After that, who knows?

It wouldn't be the first time in history a government installed a puppet religious leader. The Jewish high priest in the time of Jesus, Caiaphas was appointed by the Romans.

 

[6079_Smith_W]

It wouldn't be the first time in history a government installed a puppet religious leader. The Jewish high priest in the time of Jesus, Caiaphas was appointed by the Romans.

It wouldn't be the first time that the Chinese appointed a Dalai Lama, either according to some of the things I've read.

The entire middle-school-textbook narrative that Mao Zedong woke up one morning and decided he was going to invade Tibet, is of course not the whole story.

 

[LeftishBritInPA]

It wouldn't be the first time that the Chinese appointed a Dalai Lama, either according to some of the things I've read

Source please?

The entire middle-school-textbook narrative that Mao Zedong woke up one morning and decided he was going to invade Tibet, is of course not the whole story.

No, there's no conspiracy. Tibet was invaded and it is an occupied nation. The illegal nature of China's occupation of Tibet is not in question by any major power or by the UN.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

"They were supposed to seek blessing from me, and my hand touch."

What the hell is that even supposed to mean?

I honestly see not difference between this man and the Pope. I don't support anyone's death, but some people believe they'd be reincarnated anyway

Do you understand the suffering of the people of Tibet ? The killing and cultural genocide?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Good question. I assume China will announce they have the next "true" Dalai Lama. After that, who knows?

Yes because of their new laws.

DHARAMSALA: The new Chinese law which would come into effect next month banning reincarnation of the Dalai Lama and other Buddhist monks in Tibet was aimed at wiping out the Tibetan identity and its rich culture, said exiled Tibetan government based here on Monday.

The new law which stipulates Buddhist monks in Tibet to seek permission from Chinese communist regime for reincarnation has been ironically described by Chinese state administration for religious affairs as an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation.

'New Chinese law aimed at wiping out Tibetan identity' - Times Of India

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Source please?

The Chinese have named New Lama's and the the ones named by the Tibetan Monks have vanished with there whole families. This is not true yet with the Dalai Lama.

 

[6079_Smith_W]

The new law which stipulates Buddhist monks in Tibet to seek permission from Chinese communist regime for reincarnation has been ironically described by Chinese state administration for religious affairs as an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation.

This was, I believe first reported in the United States but ended up being misreported by leftist sources (Huffington Post and MSNBC) in that country. The law, on paper does not prevent reincarnation, and doesn't explicitly force monks to seek approval.

Rather, the law asks important monks which will re-incarnate to be officially registered with the government. The intent was supposedly to prevent just "anyone" from claiming to be the reincarnation of a monk. However this is not to say, that like any law, it cannot be misused for nefarious ends during the bureaucratic process.

 

[PFZKW88]

I honestly see not difference between this man and the Pope. I don't support anyone's death, but some people believe they'd be reincarnated anyway

I never understood why people give the Dalai Lama so much credit. His philosophy, or at least, what he divulges to Westerners is basically a pastiche of Mickey-Mouse ethics mixed with Tony Robbins motivational talk in a politically correct package that is appealing to American or European liberals. I suppose that if he were a White man like the Pope, there would not be so much adoration for a man who was essentially a feudal theocrat.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I never understood why people give the Dalai Lama so much credit. His philosophy, or at least, what he divulges to Westerners is basically a pastiche of Mickey-Mouse ethics mixed with Tony Robbins motivational talk in a politically correct package that is appealing to American or European liberals. I suppose that if he were a White man like the Pope, there would not be so much adoration for a man who was essentially a feudal theocrat.

Not quite. If all you see in his talks are his interviews with Oprah and the Today Show and the like, what is revealed is quaint and geared toward having soundbites. I've been interviewed by journalists before, and the questions were - I thought - really stupid, until I realized they were getting raw material to snip and edit and to present as a neat little package to the tv audience.

The Dalai Lama like everyone else has the same thing happen to him.

Now, if you go to some of his retreats and two-day long intensive teachings on the steps of meditation and see how he must utilize a translator to convey advanced theory from Tibetan to another language, it's a different story.

 

[LeftishBritInPA]

I never understood why people give the Dalai Lama so much credit. His philosophy, or at least, what he divulges to Westerners is basically a pastiche of Mickey-Mouse ethics mixed with Tony Robbins motivational talk in a politically correct package that is appealing to American or European liberals. I suppose that if he were a White man like the Pope, there would not be so much adoration for a man who was essentially a feudal theocrat.

If you're going to talk bad about others, you should Put up or shut up. It's pretty pathetic that you cast aspersions against His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people. Maybe you should look for something in your own religion (I'll bet you are a xtian or possibly a muslim) that is if there is anything good at all in your own belief system.