Can you please discuss in detail what point I specifically made that was a lie? Certainly, any comment I have made in this regard are either a) exactly what scripture would support or b) exactly what archaeology and history have revealed.
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Can you please discuss in detail what point I specifically made that was a lie? Certainly, any comment I have made in this regard are either a) exactly what scripture would support or b) exactly what archaeology and history have revealed.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I should add though that many Christians are actually atheists and even anti theists to some extent. When I was no more than 10 I rejected superstition yet clung to the title Christian because it was all that I knew. Many youth I have encountered hold this attitude yet laugh at the mere concept of god while professing Jesus at the same time purely out of habit or ritualism.
The issue with this is that it is born out of a misunderstanding and I see it more so in youth and not adults. But there is a crossing point in this society where atheism sets in as it is the only possible outlook that removes someone from the baggage of Christian superstition.
The issue with this is that it is born out of a misunderstanding and I see it more so in youth and not adults. But there is a crossing point in this society where atheism sets in as it is the only possible outlook that removes someone from the baggage of Christian superstition.
You are replying to my post, that the core of Christianity is belief that Jesus is the Son of God. Any suggestion to the contrary, such as you have been doing, is a lie. Sure the council of Nicea was another step for the See of Rome to consolidate power but they would have been unable to make such a drastic change. At best they muddied the water a little on the nature of the Trinity, and tried to force people to agree with them.
If you do not believe in Jesus as the savior you're hardly a Christian, and I've said as much. I have no idea where you are confused, but please re-read the other posts. They didn't muddle the water, please tell me of some post-Nicaean sect that didn't agree with them. That's right, didn't exist because they were probably dead. Next.
If one believes in God, they can't be an atheists.
If one does not believe Jesus is God is not a Christian, is a new Christian or an ignornant Christian.
Is it really possible for people to decide that people who consider themselves Christians that they are not?
How would that work?
This can be enlightening reading:
List of Christian heresies - Wikipedia
How would that work?
This can be enlightening reading:
List of Christian heresies - Wikipedia
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I have a profound infatuation with the goddess Minerva, I pray to her for guidance and honor her through deads. The shocker is I do not believe in her, I merely accept such a thing for what it is.
I can pray to Jesus daily and be an atheist still. You must have realized by now that atheism is in the mind as much as the heart. Ritualism should not be confused with belief, not should deeds.
Here is a shocker!
Many people put empty stockings near the fireplace on Christmas as if Santa may fill them with coal or treats, yet they don't believe in Santa. Never understand the human condition and its potency for contradictions
If believing that Jesus is the Son of God makes someone Christian, then isn't Satan Christian?
There are a few possible takes on what "Christian" means. By some (e.g. "follower of Jesus"), belief in God isn't necessarily needed.
If believing that Jesus is the Son of God makes someone Christian, then isn't Satan Christian?
There are a few possible takes on what "Christian" means. By some (e.g. "follower of Jesus"), belief in God isn't necessarily needed.
Satan didn't believe, Satan wanted proof. Matt 4:3 The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
Weird interpretation of the story, but regardless... even if you really do think that Satan didn't recognize Jesus as the son of God in the Gospels, do you really think that Satan hasn't been convinced of this over the last 2000 years?
He sure probably isn't spreading the news.
Not what I asked.
You said that a Christian is someone who believes Jesus is the son of God. Does Satan believe that Jesus is the son of God or not?
Would it count since Satan isn't one of us? He was never subject to the penalty of death and has no need of a Savior. As for us the bible says only the Spirit of God reveals to us that Jesus is the Son of God.
Hey - it's your definition. If you don't like its implications or don't think it matches your intent, you're free to change it.
The name would seem to be important. Perhaps that is why they changed baptism from the name of Jesus to the "Father Son and Holy Spirit" so as to never mentions the name of Jesus.
Acts 19:5 Paul explained: “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the One coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this,they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.…
Monk Of Reason
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If you are an atheist you aren't a practicing christian you are a pretend christian.
There's a podcast called "A Christian and an Atheist" that doesn't run any more, but I used to listen to it. The "main" Christian co-host was a pastor who liked to say that he's a follower of Jesus first and a believer in God second... IOW, he chose to follow Jesus's teachings, and Jesus taught his followers to believe in God, so he believes in God.
I would have no problem describing someone with a similar attitude, but who either didn't or couldn't accept the existence of God, as a Christian.
At the very least, I don't see why failing to follow Jesus's teachings about God would disqualify someone from being a Christian when failing to follow his teachings on, say, engaging in hypocrisy or the accumulation of wealth apparently doesn't.
Neo Deist
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I hate to break it to you, but John 5:5 doesn't say squat about believing Jesus is the Son of God.
the ABSOLUTE is omnipresent. if the ABSOLUTE takes a form then the form can be destroyed. Like the personality is created and can be destroyed. Created things must return the Uncreated state; which is before the form, or precedes the form taken in this lifetime. thus genesis 1:2 and the earth was without form.
Unveiled Artist
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There is no absolute. How did you personally came to think there is one?