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Christian Evolutionist:

logician

logician

Well-Known Member
"PRINCETON, NJ -- On the eve of the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, a new Gallup Poll shows that only 39% of Americans say they "believe in the theory of evolution," while a quarter say they do not believe in the theory, and another 36% don't have an opinion either way. These attitudes are strongly related to education and, to an even greater degree, religiosity."

On Darwin’s Birthday, Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution
 
darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
logician said:
"PRINCETON, NJ -- On the eve of the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, a new Gallup Poll shows that only 39% of Americans say they "believe in the theory of evolution," while a quarter say they do not believe in the theory, and another 36% don't have an opinion either way. These attitudes are strongly related to education and, to an even greater degree, religiosity."

On Darwin’s Birthday, Only 4 in 10 Believe in Evolution
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Wow so in America 61% of people are retarded?
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
It's lack of quality science education. You can get the same sort of numbers of Americans who don't understand how other basic science and history work.
One in five Americans thinks the sun goes around the Earth.
About the same number don't know what country the US gained its independence from.

That makes it all the more tragic IMHO.
New Poll Gauges Americans' General Knowledge Levels

wa:do
 
darkendless

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
Father Heathen said:
We should deport a sizable portion of them to Australia, so you don't feel left out. :)
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At least Americans are original in their ignorance. Australia follows America like a lap dog, i'm sure if you spoke to people here the same thing would occur. Emiliano laughed at the idea of the TOE. We need a lot less God and a lot more common sense.
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
Americans (s)elected Bush for 2 terms, I think that confirms that Americans won't win any average intelligence contests.
 
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Ghostkill221

New Member
Here is my problem with Christian evolution. Christian means you believe the bible every bit of it or else your religion is debunked. if you actually take the chronology of the bible. it amasses around 6000 to 8000 years, meaning that in pattern we would be able to see definite evolution in each of our lives, now the usual response to this is that the "days" in genesis are actually vast expanses of time say 13 billion years each in order to corroborate with evolution. However in genesis it says that plants were made a day before the sun. which leaves our trees evolving for a long time without the material needed for life. if you can explain a way atound this i would be very intrigued.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Ghostkill221 said:
Here is my problem with Christian evolution. Christian means you believe the bible every bit of it or else your religion is debunked. if you actually take the chronology of the bible. it amasses around 6000 to 8000 years, meaning that in pattern we would be able to see definite evolution in each of our lives, now the usual response to this is that the "days" in genesis are actually vast expanses of time say 13 billion years each in order to corroborate with evolution. However in genesis it says that plants were made a day before the sun. which leaves our trees evolving for a long time without the material needed for life. if you can explain a way atound this i would be very intrigued.
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I'm no Christian, but there are a few possible explanations I can see for the points you raise. Take or leave them as you want:

- I've never heard that definition for a Christian before.
- I have never once met a Christian who believed every bit of the Bible. Also, there are different ways to "believe" a text; "belief" doesn't necessarily mean literal belief.
- Genesis can be considered to be metaphorical or allegorical, not a literal description.
- there's nothing in Genesis that states that the seven days of creation happened right after each other. Even a direct, literal interpretation of Genesis with 24-hour days can allow for the first day to happen, then some span of time (maybe even a few billion years), then the second day, then another span of time, etc., etc. The idea that the seven days of creation made up one single week is eisegesis or assumption.
- how do you get your "6,000 to 8,000" number? If you add up the ages in Genesis 5, you get 1656 years from the birth of Adam until Noah's flood, but after that, the calculations seem to get rather sketchy, IMO.
- Plants don't need the Sun specifically; they need light. Light was created on the first day.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
father heathen said:
We should deport a sizable portion of them to Australia, so you don't feel left out.
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Bite your tongue, FH! :mad:

I don't want them in Down Under. :(

As it is now, we already a lot of American Reality TV shows.

Send them to Siberia. :yes: Siberia.
 
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bigrunnermaniac

bigrunnermaniac

New Member
Heneni said:
A frog turning into a human after millions of years is as sign of the evolution of the slow.

In the last six thousand years we have gone from no technology to landing on mars and having rovers on another planet.

And somebody thinks that we took BILLIONS of years to evolve, when in the last few hundred years alone we have done incredible things?

So...did our brain evolve 6 thousand years ago? Or is somebody just trying to get people away from the 'god' of creation by coming up with some stupid theory that we evolved from some form of live that would ironically only start using its brain in the last few thousand years of its existance. If we used our brains for the last million years or so...we would be far more advanced than we are know. So are we becoming smarter? Is there any scienctific evidence that we are becoming smarter? No there isnt. So what were we doing with our brains the last few million years? Lets say we became human in the last million years. Thats still ONE million years of no good brain power. Evolution is for people who like to believe in fairy tales.

Heneni
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The human brain became more developed because there was a need for it too become more developed. Why did humans start using their legs. Because we had them, their hands they had them, their brains, because they developed a internal tool that helps communication and memories for survival. As they communicate more and more and use their brains more they/[or we if you prefer] used our brains the more and more they developed until they started registering emotion, strong memories, and eventually self awareness and the awareness of the mind. Do you really believe someone just "poofed" self-awareness into our minds, that is a fairy tale my friends.
 
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Ghostkill221

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Plant's do not need light, because light has little to no mass which means to plants it would be useless for photosynthesis, they need the energy sent from the sun to create photosynthesis: and the bible is the only definitive source of knowledge for a christian. or it is the only one with divine influence. you cannot simply pick parts of the bible to believe (as per your earlier comment when i say believe i mean accept as truth, which can be done off a book) if you only pick parts you are creating your own religion and according to revelation 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." this may be specifically meaning only revelation but that still means that revelation at least is a whole and should be taken as such furthermore
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

if it's all god breathed and you believe in the god that made any of it who is perfect and can't lie than it is all true

as for the 6000 to 8000 thats a rough estimate going from the average lifespan of people after the flood in the bible and knowing how many generations till joseph arrived at egypt from which we have a physical record

when you actually understand hebrew (I don't but one of my friends can read and speak it fluently) you can see that the way genesis plays out day means the amount of time between on rotation of the earth or between the night and the next night being written by moses who wrote the law books the most literal books in the bible so much later it almost for sure that his day meant a literal 24 hour period or the passing of a single human sleep, and it meant absolutely every "day" in genesis was the same period of time.
now the final point that should wrap this up is this to be honest god would never ever make evolution why would he want to give people an way the world could exist without him when he could have just made everything the way it is. the only good possible reason i have heard was that he wanted belief in him to be based on faith. however if this was true why would he go with evolution which is predicated on several things that have a 1:10 to the 300000 chance of happening, happening? wouldn't he just make a better more reasonable answer?
 
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