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Christian Hedonism - finding pleasure in God

kmkemp

Active Member
This is a facebook note I felt moved to write a little while ago. I thought it would be applicable to this thread.

Charity

I'm always getting tagged in these notes from my friends. Sometimes they are funny or tell a cool story, but the best notes I've read have always made me think on a more personal level. So, with my first attempt, it only seems right that I should try and return the favor. I want to write a little bit about what God has been doing in my life.

First, I think that this will come together a little better if I use an example. As a great deal of my friends already know, I went to Panama City this summer for Beach Project. While there, something amazing happened. I don't say that it was amazing because of how good it was, but just that it really seemed like God was using the situation to show me something. I don't want to use any names, but here is the situation... at Beach Project, there is a cost of attendance that you can choose to pay as you go along ($1200). Most people had to use this option since they couldn't raise enough support. One person in particular, who I consider a friend, came to me and asked if I had raised extra support. She was wondering if I had any spare money to help her out because she felt she would probably not be able to meet the requirement without it (at least I suppose that is why she asked). Well, I had not yet paid off my own bill so I told her as much. At the time, I felt like I wanted to help but I wasn't really willing to go that extra mile. I'll come back to this later. Well, later I found out that a friend of mine had given her the money that she needed. Now, this is of not much consequence except that I knew that this particular person was also paying in installments and would often skip going out because he didn't have enough money. In short, he was in a worst financial situation than I was.

Now, I would like to point to a story in the Bible that some of you may have not read before or, at least, you may skimmed over the line that really struck me in it all. That story is the story of David and the census. It can be found in 2 Samuel 24 if you want to go back and read it. I will try to do it justice with a short summation for now. David was a great military commander who had been given his power by God. However, in this story, David makes a great mistake that most of us probably would consider quite minor. David set out to take a census (population count) to find out how many people he could raise in an army if he needed to. This was sort of a test of power for him. Joab, who he ordered to take the census, warned him that his power was with the Lord and that the census was useless, but still David's pride got in the way and he ordered Joab to continue as planned. After the fact, God punished Israel for David's sin. As God is striking down his people with a plague, David cries out to him,

"I am the one who sinned and did wrong. I gave the order for the people to be counted. These people only followed me like sheep. They did nothing wrong. Lord my God, please punish me and my family, but stop the terrible disease that is killing your people."

At this, the Lord took mercy and called off his angels. Still, the Lord required a sacrifice from David. He ordered him to build an altar for it. Now, the place where David was at belonged to someone else so he couldn't just simply build it on his land. So he went to this man and offered to pay for his land in full. This man replied that David could take it for free. He was willing to give all he had after seeing God's wrath. But, and here is the main point of me telling this story, David replied, "No, I will pay the full price for the land. I won’t take anything that is yours and give it to the Lord. I won’t offer a burnt offering that costs me nothing."

Now, this just made me think. Normally, if I am feeling charitable, I use this line of thinking: what can I possibly give that I have extra that will cause the most good? How will giving this affect me? Certainly, having written it down, I can see that this isn't charity at all. It seems to almost be a way to feed my own pride. Still, I am concerned that many others use a similar line of thinking and never think twice about it much like I did. What is more, God has already tried to teach me this lesson last summer (see first paragraph) and still it just didn't register until now. For an example, when a begger comes up to me on the street and asks me for money, my first thought is always: do I have extra money to spare and then, how should I use it to help this person? But why am I so concerned if I have extra money to spare? I think that the answer is that I measure a gift by how much good will come of it--which I think is exactly the disguise that Satan wishes it to take. God judges a gift by how much you have to give up to give it and with the joy you use when giving it.

If anyone actually made it though that, I commend you and hope it was encouraging.
 

kmkemp

Active Member
Something else I just wanted to say based on my feelings since I joined this board. I am involved in several different ministries around my campus from two different denominations and one interdenominational one. While this board mainly discusses theological issues with a focus on logic, I think it is easy to forget what is really important. Actually, this is a constant struggle for me because I find philosophy and interpretations very appealing... and that is that we are all Christians here and it is our mission to unite as one body in love and share the gospel with all people. I know it gets heated from time to time as far as debates, but let's just try to remember what we have been commissioned for and what it means to "be not divided by small matters". We must always keep our eyes on Christ and his work for us. I found this deeply moving. I usually read it any time that I am going out to intentionally try to share my faith. Before you read it, I'll warn you that you probably don't agree with every verse's interpretation, but I urge you to not focus on the small details but instead understand the amazing grace we have and the heartfelt sincerity that we should have for the lost.

http://www.hellwrecker.com/hideous.htm
 

Special Revelation

Active Member
“If there lurks in most modern minds the notion that to desire our own good and earnestly to hope for the enjoyment of it is a bad thing, I submit this notion has crept in from Kant and the Stoics and is no part of the Christian faith. Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.”

C.S. Lewis - sermon called “The Weight of Glory”
 

joeboonda

Well-Known Member
Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.”
C.S. Lewis - sermon called “The Weight of Glory”

How true that is! Its wonderful to have believed in Christ and to know we have eternal life right now, that we have passed from death to life, and that Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us nor in no wise cast us out, praise the Lord! But what of our walk and the abundant life Christ offers to those who lose their lives and take up their cross and follow Him, walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh? We all struggle with the old nature which is constantly at war with our new nature, I know I most surely do, and I fail more often than not. While I see myself growing more spiritually and taste the goodness of walking in the Spirit, it seems the older I get, the less will-power I have at times, and I get soooo tired. I have to tell myself to forget the past and press forward to the mark of the high calling of Jesus. At times I am more 'hedonist' than Christian, lol. But focusing on the Lord and His Word, praying daily confessing sin and asking to be filled with the Spirit, loving the things of God more than the things of this world which is quickly passing, I see the fruits of the Spirit grow in my life, however slowly. I look around at people and very few seem to be concerned in the least about God and rarely talk about spiritual things. If I am concerned about my carnality, where will these fall? Lets pray for one another daily that we will desire to follow God more closely and win souls!
God Bless,
Mike
 

Special Revelation

Active Member
How true that is! Its wonderful to have believed in Christ and to know we have eternal life right now, that we have passed from death to life, and that Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us nor in no wise cast us out, praise the Lord! But what of our walk and the abundant life Christ offers to those who lose their lives and take up their cross and follow Him, walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh? We all struggle with the old nature which is constantly at war with our new nature, I know I most surely do, and I fail more often than not. While I see myself growing more spiritually and taste the goodness of walking in the Spirit, it seems the older I get, the less will-power I have at times, and I get soooo tired. I have to tell myself to forget the past and press forward to the mark of the high calling of Jesus. At times I am more 'hedonist' than Christian, lol. But focusing on the Lord and His Word, praying daily confessing sin and asking to be filled with the Spirit, loving the things of God more than the things of this world which is quickly passing, I see the fruits of the Spirit grow in my life, however slowly. I look around at people and very few seem to be concerned in the least about God and rarely talk about spiritual things. If I am concerned about my carnality, where will these fall? Lets pray for one another daily that we will desire to follow God more closely and win souls!
God Bless,
Mike

A young man who knows God... but more importantly... a man who is known by God! Our Heavenly Father rules and reigns the universe!
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
For Christians only - all who know Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior, and Treasure.

Christian hedonism is about finding our joy, satisfaction, and pleasure in God above all things. I am convinced that this Christian perspective is the only way to live that honors God. I have been watching teaching from Pastor John Piper with my kids that have really influenced me. I have read Piper books for several years too.

Please share with us how you have found personal joy and pleasure in God. How can we help each other to treasure Christ more than anything else in this world. I am asking you to share your personal experiences and Biblical truth that will help us grow in affection toward our great God.

I happened to pick the book up just last week. Im reading it now, and I think it touches on many issues that are seriously overlooked in christianity. For example, it is indeed gods desire for us to desire him, and he WANTS us to get joy out of Him. I think that the bible reminds us in no uncertain terms, that the penalty for not enjoying god is severe. The penalty is self-inflicted, its for one...the lack of joy, and happiness. Not that joy and happiness can only be found in God, but the quality of happiness and joy one can find in god, is far superior than any other.

Yeah, I've never liked Piper's choice of words here.

I dont like the word Hedonism either. Thought he could have given the term a slip.

“If there lurks in most modern minds the notion that to desire our own good and earnestly to hope for the enjoyment of it is a bad thing, I submit this notion has crept in from Kant and the Stoics and is no part of the Christian faith. Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.”

C.S. Lewis - sermon called “The Weight of Glory”

Exactly! Not that you are around anymore...talking to a ghost here...but what i have experienced as a Christian is this: The joy and happiness i have felt when really enraptured by God, has never been equaled to anything i have experienced anywhere else. There is nothing to compare it to. It is true, that in my case, anything that does not have GOD written all over it, can never quite measure up to the joy and happiness i feel when He is all over it. The joys when i think, experience, seek out, find, and converse with him. When i look back and watch as if in reverse the movie of my life, I am astonished at how he has orchestrated each event into a magical master piece of beauty and wonder. Even my tears and disappointments, even when there was much sorrow and pain, there is joy to be found even in these.

I have been given the good graces of experiencing the pleasure of knowing god in ever increasing measures. It is by grace that this has come to me, i did not work for nor did i even ask for it. But by the grace of god, which he bestowed on me, he made himself known to me, and continues to do so. I have never felt the pursuit of man like i have felt the pursuit of god.

I find it hard at times to comprehend, but his utter joy and happiness in me, regardless of my temper, my tantrums and my stubbornness, is quite surprising. He finds delight in me, where i find none. And i seem to find delight in him, where others find none, yet i know that it is his goodness that leads me to such an extraordinary find.

I think that I have experienced what the bible talks about when it says: 'Taste and see that the Lord is good'.

I have tasted, and there is nothing else that i wish to feed on. I have lost my palette for sin simply because i find in greater degree everyday a feast of delicacies in god which are far superior to the tidbits of sin.

Heneni
 
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