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Christian persecution complex. Is there validity to it or not?

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Wildswanderer

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Policy said:
Not according to you. It can't be the largest when you keep claiming that discounting every "Christian" you disagree with is notarealchristian, but merely a "Professing Christian"
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I asked a question. And of course there's tares among the wheat. We just don't know who they are.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
Yes, Christians are being persecuted in America. Here’s how we can respond

Yes. Christians are indeed persecuted.
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I find it interesting how they have to water down what "persecution" means in order to make their argument:

What the “actually, no they aren’t” crowd gets wrong

But this ahistorical position has (at least) two problems. First, that’s not what the word persecution means. The definition of persecution includes “hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.” So no, we aren’t being fed to the lions just yet. But there is no conceivable doubt that Christians are facing “hostility and ill-treatment” for their faith in America. So, definitionally, the persecution deniers are missing the point.
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By that definition, persecution by Christians is a much bigger problem in the US than persecution of Christians.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Wildswanderer said:
Everyone who is a professing Christian is potentially insincere.
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This issue is really pretty simple to the unbeliever. Professing Christians are all actual (aka true) Christians, assuming that they believe that Jesus died for their sins and is the only path to salvation in the afterlife. They probably also believe that the Bible is the word of a deity, but that's not a requirement. There is no other doctrinal test, and there is no behavioral test at all. You don't need to go to church or pray or read the Bible. You can shoot up an elementary school. No behavior makes a person not a Christian if they believe the core tenets just described.

You're a Christian to me without me knowing anything about you apart from what you have posted on RF. There's no reason to think that you aren't a decent, law-abiding citizen, but even if you weren't and I knew it, you'd still be a Christian to me. Why make it more complicated than that?
 
Alien826

Alien826

No religious beliefs
wellwisher said:
In the US, Christian accomplishments, in all areas of culture, are called privilege, by the Left. This misdirect is used to make it sound like a bunch of low lives have cheated the system to gain power. The Christians then use that power to cheat and persecute others, so they can maintain their ill gotten gain. This really is a Progressive projection; Progressive operating mode.

The analogy is a champion sports team gets to the top of the food chain, based on their good players and a strong team, with a good focus and work ethic. It is a privilege to be the champion, but this placement is not due to throwing dice or Big Government edicts, but due to hard working individuals and a good team spirit.

The Progressives are jealous and wish all the accolades, but do not wish to do the work. There is a time proven honorable recipe for success, but the Progressives want to get the best without sacrifice and effort. So they come up with word games to make it sound like the end result is based on the birth right privilege, with no work involved. They make it sound like these are the sons and daughters of the company owner, who have it easy at birth.

It reminds me of school, where the bullies and the mean popular kids make fun and harass the smart kids. They claim the smart kids get good grades because they are the teachers' pet. It is really the other way around, but the misdirect rallies the bullies. Rather than work harder and rise above, they find it easier to place others in a hole, so they can appear to rise; relative reference self deception.

The Progressives try to compete with the har working status quo, with their new and often untested ideas. However, they still cannot win without some form of cheating using misinformation, indoctrination, harassment and Big Government. The Christians, in the spirit of sport, find ways to poke holes and overcome the cheat. There is then whining and renewed propaganda to make the hole even deeper for the Christians, so Progressive can appear to compete without all the effort that is the key to genuine success.

If you look at the gender nonsense, this fly by night idea appeared and was forced on everyone. The Left created their own version of a privileged class, by decree, out of nothing, without any pilot testing. There was a push to slow down and go through the normal steps of social acceptance; pilot test without obligations or force. However, if you did not just buy into this, you are a hater; guilt manipulation.

Then there is now whining and back to the drawing board, not to collect data, but to find another way to cut the line. This induced delay is there to allow time for self reflection, to make sure this major change is more than a fad. Fads needs to move fast, before the novelty expires and goes way organically. What is natural will find a way to grow even if delayed, longer. Natural will not need all the extra propping up of the group hug. That is usually what synthetic needs.
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I don't understand. Is there some kind of waiting period or "turn" involved before people can get to live the way they want? How long do you have to be subservient to get to a say in how things are run? Where is the end of the line and how do people get on it?
 
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Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
It Aint Necessarily So said:
This issue is really pretty simple to the unbeliever. Professing Christians are all actual (aka true) Christians, assuming that they believe that Jesus died for their sins and is the only path to salvation in the afterlife. They probably also believe that the Bible is the word of a deity, but that's not a requirement. There is no other doctrinal test, and there is no behavioral test at all. You don't need to go to church or pray or read the Bible. You can shoot up an elementary school. No behavior makes a person not a Christian if they believe the core tenets just described.

You're a Christian to me without me knowing anything about you apart from what you have posted on RF. There's no reason to think that you aren't a decent, law-abiding citizen, but even if you weren't and I knew it, you'd still be a Christian to me. Why make it more complicated than that?
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Because Jesus said you will know them by their fruit.
 
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